Help needed- Russell family New Monkland, Airdrie

[sancti]

The record found by Cookies4 looks more likely as the family I posted are together in 1851 in Cambusnethan with Daniels birthplace as Hamilton

Perhaps his mother died young and that was why he was with grandparents

[soapy1]

Sancti,

I tried SP searching both before and after 1855. None with a surname Gray, which is the reason I wondered if they married at all
I found one candidate before 1855, from Carluke.
Again I searched for her under Eliz Russell after 1855, and still can't find any under Gray.

Any suggestions, other than spending masses on SP ?
alternative might just be to save it til my next Edinburgh visit

[cookies4]

I'm pretty sure the Daniel Gray who was living with Thomas Russell and Helen Murray is your ancestor but how to go about proving they are his grandparents is another story.

If you look at FREECEN in 1841 the family are living a couple of households away from The Manse at New Monkland. A wee bit of searching finds it in Glenmavis.

There is an Elizabeth Russel (only one l) birth in 1804 indexed at SP to this couple right enough.

Not much help but thought I'd post anyway.

[soapy1]

cookies4, it is a lot of help actually.
I was brought up in Glenmavis, and my mum's grandmother, who is Daniel's daughter married a Samuel Beresford. Although her family seems to have stayed in Airdrie ( her mother died there), she moved to Glenmavis with her husband.

What confufes me is that my mum and aunt always say their granny Beresford came from Chapelhall, but I didn't find that in fo per death cert, so I assume it must have been as a child.

There is a Russell Street in Chapelhall, funnily enough, and a few Russells.

My mum always spoke to her cousin in Airdrie when I was young. His name was Daniel G Russell and he owned a wallpaper shop just down from Woolworths ( if anyone knows airdrie!!). I'm sure he stayed in Chapelhall.

Freecen?  Never heard of that one, but will search for it & add it to my searching folder !!

I just don't know the name Helen Murray at all.

Any hint is always useful, no matter how small or vague, so thanks again

[waughboy]

Hi, I was searching for the Thom family of Burnhead, New Monkland and came across your posts. We also have Russell's from Coatbridge and Chapelhall (our Elizabeth Russell married John Gray) and think there may be a connection to other Russell's in the area. We have quite a bit of info that may be of interest to you at http://www.waughfamily.ca/Russell/ If anyone sees any connections or has any additional information I would appreciate hearing from you. Many of the inhabitants of Bothwell Parish joined the Mormon Church and emigrated to America in the 1840s and 50s. If you have any "missing persons" from this time period you may want to check at http://mormonmigration.lib.byu.edu/ to see if you can find them there. That's where we found Elizabeth and many other relatives from New Monkland and Bothwell from that era.

[soapy1]

Hi Waughboy

i'd a look at your website but I'm not so sure there's any connection. |There seem to have been more than one family of Russells in Chapelhall but not related.
There's a well known local lawyer of that name also from Chapelhall but no relation at all.
your site is however very interesting and informative.
You have really old maps there too, so very well done

Elspeth

[anne_p]

OPR Baptisms. (pre 1855)

Even although two parents may be named on a baptism, legitimacy is determined by the terminology used on the baptismal record.

 "Lawful son/daughter of......"          Is a child born inside a marriage
 "Natural born son/daughter of....." Is a child born out of wedlock

I early time periods,  co- habitation was accepted.
My own ancestors were "declared" as married in 1815 although no banns were previously announced.
The following Sunday, their 1st child was baptised and entered as "Lawful son of.....

[sancti]

No banns were necessary for a couple to be officially married

[Forfarian]

My own ancestors were "declared" as married in 1815 although no banns were previously announced

Marriage by declaration was perfectly legal until well into the 20th century, and was the only method of getting married without a minister to perform the ceremony. The critical point was that you declared in front of two witnesses that you were husband and wife. Whether this was done with the sanction of the kirk and a religious ceremony was irrelevant; in the eyes of the law it was equally valid.

Banns were (and still are) part of the religious procedure, obligatory in order to get a minister to conduct the ceremony.

Marriage by declaration before witnesses is why Scotland in general and Gretna Green in particular were popular with couples eloping from England. The blacksmith with his anvil was a nice touch, but not actually necessary to make the marriage legal.