Help needed- Russell family New Monkland, Airdrie

[soapy1]

I've hit a brick wall . My grt grandmother was called Elizabeth Gray Russell (1857-1930). Her father was Daniel Gray Russell, who died Jan 1904 in Glenmavis. Per the death certificate he was illegitimate. His mother was Elizabeth Russell & father William Gray. I can't find details of his birth anywhere. Working back the dates on the death certificate, i expect date of birth round about 1825 ( 79 years of age when he died).  I can't even find much by way of the census as it's too early.I thought that I might have found an 1841 entry for mother & son which would have helped
Daniel Gray Russell was married to Isabella Smith Pew around 1852.
I'd really appreciate any help or at least pointers in the right direction
I tried to find if his parents evetually married, but can't find anything.

[CaroleW]

Is this the right 1861 entry - as birthyear is later than stated

79 High St New Monkland

Daniel Russell 29 b New Monkland - ironstone miner
Isabella  26 b Ireland
Thomas   8 b Airdrie
Elizabeth   4   ditto
New Monkland ED 9 Page16 Line 18

[CaroleW]

Variation in name - these are submitted IGI entries

Daniel Russell Gray   Birth:  07 APR 1829   Burnhead, New Monkland   
Father:  William Gray   Mother:  Elizabeth Russell 

DANIEL GRAY OR RUSSELL   Birth:  07 APR 1829   Christening:  21 JUN 1829   New Monkland   Father:  WILLIAM GRAY    Mother:  ELIZABETH RUSSELL 

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[sancti]

1841 all born Lanarkshire

Willm Gray 30
Elizabeth Gray 25
Daniel Gray 9
William Gray 5
Janet Gray 3
 
 
Address: Carfin Collersy

[cookies4]

1841 all born Lanarkshire

Willm Gray 30
Elizabeth Gray 25
Daniel Gray 9
William Gray 5
Janet Gray 3
 
 
Address: Carfin Collersy

I wonder if this one looks more likely Sancti, especially since he called his first son Thomas.

1841 Blackbirdhaw, New Monkland -

Thomas Russell   60
Helen Russell   60
William Russell   20
Alexander Picken   20
Daniel Gray   9


Lots of submissions at the IGI for this family - Thomas Russell and Helen Murray including an Elizabeth born 1804.

Interesting that 3 of Daniel's children (including one in 1855) were born as Gray.

[soapy1]

Wow, everyone..thanks for your replies!!

Variation in name - these are submitted IGI entries

Daniel Russell Gray   Birth:  07 APR 1829   Burnhead, New Monkland   
Father:  William Gray   Mother:  Elizabeth Russell 

DANIEL GRAY OR RUSSELL   Birth:  07 APR 1829   Christening:  21 JUN 1829   New Monkland   Father:  WILLIAM GRAY    Mother:  ELIZABETH RUSSELL 

Somebody else is researching the same family
 

  CaroleW...This looks like Daniel G Russell's birth. Per his death cert he was illegitimate, and I think I read that sometimes in those days they would often change their surname, though per the death cert, he was 79 in 1904, so I'd expect DOB around 1825, but maybe the death cert wasn't reliable anyway
You did well, as I tried IGI , but I'm clearly not as good at this yet as I could be
I couldn't find Daniel, but I found both parents at Burnead ...is that modern Uddingston?
The 1861 entry looks like the one for Daniel & his wife Isabella S Pew. I have their details as a family. I think they were married 1852 ( surname entered as Pue & his surname is shown as Gray).

Sancti...good detective work from you too.

Looks like maybe William did in fact marry Elizabeth and they went on to have 2 further children, William & Janet, but I've found it difficult to find marriage details this far back.

My mother's grandmother was Daniel's daughter Elizabeth Gray Russell. The family story handed down was that she originally came from Chapelhall, and I've been trying to verify that ages.
Maybe if the family stayed at Carfin Colliery, that would be around the Chapelhall area, where funnily enough I now stay

Interchanging the surnames Gray & Russell is very very confusing !!

Even Daniel's death certificate is confusing. The father and mother's surname is recorded as Russell !! Father's name is recorded as William Gray Russell. Would the family did that to spare some blushes? He is however recorded as illegitimate. I have seen some death certificates where the parents names are simply wrongly recorded !!

Cookies4.....your theory looks possible, but wonder if those are the maternal grandparents ? I don't know their names at all
though!!

Does anyone know where Blackbirdhaw  was?
I've never heard of that!

once again, a big thanks to you all

[sancti]

1851

Thomas Simpson 23
Janet Simpson 25
Jean Simpson 3
Jeanet Simpson 1
John Tullock 15
Daniel Russell 21 Lodger born New Monkland occ Coal Miner
 
Address: Bartonshill Old Monkland


Elisabeth Pew 51
Isabella Pew daur 19 born Ireland occ Mill worker
Thomas Pew son 16 born Ireland Occupation: Drawer C
 
Address: 73 High St Airdrie
 

[sancti]

1841

Thomas Pew 45
Robert Pew 20
Eliza Pew 16
Martha Pew 13
Agnes Pew 11
Isabella Pew 8 born: Ireland
Thomas Pew 5
Eliza Pew 40
John Mcconnel 24

Address North Street Airdrie

[soapy1]

Thanks Sancti....dob is approx right for the 1851 Census.
The 1852 marriage I found in SP is under the name Daniel Gray & once you see it, the name could be recorded as Isabella Pew, and not Pue as is transcribed.
According to information i found Elizabeth Pew's husband Thomas died around 1850/51.

Those look like the same records i thought were mine, based on the certificates i found

Thanks Sancti

Do you think it's likely therefore that William Gray did in fact marry Eliz Russell at some point later on?

Just seen your next post ...again looks like them.