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Re: Ruins and Romans, Fonts and Furrows. Anything Old in Lancashire
« Reply #126 on: Thursday 26 January 12 19:51 GMT (UK) »
I do find it interesting that in areas which have been laid to pasture for centuries, so much of the history is still evident in the landscape, such as the ridges and furrows.   My home county is Suffolk where, thanks to arable farming for centuries, there are few such indications of earlier times left to be discovered, having been long since ploughed to oblivion.  Here in Wales, though, particularly in the autumn when the sun is low in the sky, there are the most wonderful patterns of past ages which emerge from the landscape as shadows of long ago.
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: Ruins and Romans, Fonts and Furrows. Anything Old in Lancashire
« Reply #128 on: Friday 27 January 12 09:48 GMT (UK) »
GS, your post on the changes that occurred from arable labour intensive farming to livestock to woollen industry and mills is most interesting.
Thanks for that.
As so many of our ancestors seem to have been weavers it helps our understanding of  Lancashire.

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Re: Ruins and Romans, Fonts and Furrows. Anything Old in Lancashire
« Reply #129 on: Friday 27 January 12 21:49 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure whether that figure of a loss of half the population of Lancashire between 1348 and 1351 is attributable to the Black Death alone, or whether starvation due to a succession of bad harvests and the warfare io the 14th century also contributed. 

Whatever the reasons it was a shocking decrease in the population and it is easy to see how it would have tipped the balance away from arable crop towards the less labour intensive livestock farming, sheep in particular.  The evidence is visible all around me of the hillsides once having been ploughed by oxen for arable use.  I find it very thought provoking to contemplate the reasons behind these landscape features that I have taken for granted until fairly recently.
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Re: Ruins and Romans, Fonts and Furrows. Anything Old in Lancashire
« Reply #130 on: Friday 27 January 12 22:28 GMT (UK) »
Going back a bit further, I thought this was an interesting snippet.

The County of Lancashire was only recognised in its own right in 1181-2.  Prior to this, at the time of the Norman Conquest there was no administrative district and in the Doomsday Book south Lancashire is described as ‘inter Ripam et Mersham’ – between the Ribble and the Mersey, whilst north Lancashire was referred to as ‘the King’s lands in Yorkshire'.  Its first appearance as a separate region occurred when an official of the Royal Exchequer, who was compiling an accounts document for Northumberland, wrote out a separate parchment headed ‘Lancasra quia non erat ei locus’ – ‘Lancaster, because there is no place for it' (in Northumberland).
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Re: Ruins and Romans, Fonts and Furrows. Anything Old in Lancashire
« Reply #131 on: Saturday 28 January 12 11:24 GMT (UK) »
How very interesting Maggie.

I for my part have been delving a bit further into the Black Death and whilst this piece is not specifically for Lancashire, I think it is worth posting.  It is an extract from the writings of Henry Knighton of Leicester, who observed the arrival of the Black Death in England in 1348 and describes its effects on farming thus:

"In the same year there was a great murrain of sheep everywhere in the kingdom, so that in one place in a single pasture more than 5,000 sheep died; and they putrefied so that neither bird nor beast would touch them.

Everything was low in price because of the fear of death, for very few people took any care of riches or property of any kind.............  Sheep and cattle ran at large through the fields and among the crops, and there was none to drive them off or herd them; for lack of care they perished in ditches and hedges in incalculable numbers throughout all districts, and none knew what to do. For there was no memory of death so stern and cruel since the time of Vortigern, King of the Britons, in whose day, as Bede testifies, the living did not suffice to bury the dead. ..........Wherefore many crops wasted in the fields for lack of harvesters. But in the year of the pestilence, as has been said above, there was so great an abundance of every type of grain that almost no one cared for it."


Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: Ruins and Romans, Fonts and Furrows. Anything Old in Lancashire
« Reply #132 on: Saturday 28 January 12 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Thats interesting, in the cronica fiorentina it say that the cats, dogs, oxen and chickens etc, where killed by the plague.

So, if as has been put forward, that the animals where kept in the houses in close proximity to the human occupants then the flea need not have been  transmitted via the rats alone.

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Re: Ruins and Romans, Fonts and Furrows. Anything Old in Lancashire
« Reply #133 on: Sunday 29 January 12 07:29 GMT (UK) »
I hadn't realised that animals were infected as well.  It is also interesting to read the piece below, taken from 'The History of Human-Animal Interaction - The Medieval Period', which seems to take us back to where we began, with witches and cats!

Cats came under suspicion for a variety of reasons. Unlike dogs, they did not behave subserviently toward humans. This was considered unnatural, because it violated the biblical view that humans should have dominion over animals. Also, cats were very active at night .... Though cats had always behaved in this manner, to the superstitious minds of the Middle Ages, cats were practicing supernatural powers and witchcraft. Most accused witches were older peasant women who lived alone, often keeping cats as pets for companionship. This guilt by association meant that roughly a million cats were burned at the stake, along with their owners, on suspicion of being witches.

In the early thirteenth century Pope Gregory IX (1145–1241) declared that ...  the devil had appeared in the form of a black cat. Cats became the official symbol of heresy.... Anyone who showed any compassion or feeling for a cat came under the church's suspicion. By the beginning of the fourteenth century, Europe's cat population had been severely depleted....

In 1347 the bubonic plague swept across Europe. Called the Black Death, it killed twenty-five million people (nearly a third of Europe's population) in only three years. Thousands of farm animals died as well, either from the plague or from lack of care.....   In addition, millions of people are thought to have suffered from food poisoning during the Middle Ages because of the presence of rat droppings in the grain supply.

Centuries of cat slaughter had allowed the rodent population to surge out of control



Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: Ruins and Romans, Fonts and Furrows. Anything Old in Lancashire
« Reply #134 on: Sunday 29 January 12 07:38 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps here I can be allowed to be a little partisan since it would appear that in Wales,  cats' lives seemed too be somewhat less risky: 

".......within Europe, there was a notable exception to the cat persecution. During the 900s the small country of Wales was ruled by Hywel the Good. In 945 he established laws for his realm that included protections for cats for their good works in protecting the region's grain supplies. Hywel's laws set the monetary worth of cats (a penny at birth and four pennies after a successful mouse kill) and imposed strict penalties on people for stealing or killing cats. This legal protection lasted for several centuries, until Welsh law was replaced by English law."

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<a href="http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/2149/History-Human-Animal-Interaction-MEDIEVAL-PERIOD.html">The History of Human-Animal Interaction - The Medieval Period</a>
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk