Surrey Militia

[jamparever]

Hi,
re John LULHAM.
My ggg grandfather was listed as a soldier on several of his children's baptism records.
He married in 1794 at Cheriton, Kent. There was one daughter born in Hull in 1795, a son born c1797 at Blyth, son at Kingston Upon Thames in 1799, a daughter at Seven Oaks 1802, a son at Dover, Kent c1806, another son at Dover 1807 and then 3 more children at Kingston between 1809 and 1814. His other occupations were Blacksmith, Gunsmith and Whitesmith.
I was looking for help to try and find any records of him serving in the military, possibly the Surrey Militia and if the places & dates that children were born coincides with any other unit.

Regards,
Barbara

[millymcb]

Hello - Not sure if it is relevant or even the same man (as Lulham appears to be a common name in the area - and it is Sussex rather than Surrey) but have you seen this interesting entry about John Lulham in Udimore Parish records, Sussex?   
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=179-par497-ead&cid=-1#-1

For some years the living of Udimore was held as a perpetual curacy, perhaps to allow its poor stipend, complained of by one of its holders in about 1720 (PAR497/1/1/1), to be shared by the incumbent of a neighbouring parish

Overseers of the Poor: militia  PAR497/36  1799-1813

Former reference: PAR497/36

Order from magistrates to Udimore overseers, to maintain Elizabeth Lulham, wife of John Lulham, currently serving with the militia, and son John  PAR497/36/1  5 Jan 1799

Former reference: PAR497/36/1


Records are held at East Sussex Records Office

Milly

[jamparever]

Hi Milly,
I had come across that information and believe it to be my John & wife Elizabeth and their son John.
John was baptised on 29.03.1799 at Kingston and according to other trees & researchers he was born 03 Feb 1799 so after the date of the order.
But there are so many Lulhams in Sussex it is hard to know for sure. Again, I wonder why she was there at that particular time without John snr. They spent most of their life in Kingston, Surrey.
Thanks for taking the time to reply,
Barbara

[KGarrad]

according to other trees & researchers he was born 03 Feb 1799 so after the date of the order.

Are you sure thats a date of birth, and not a date of baptism?

Before 1837, baptism dates were recorded - birth dates were often ignored?!

[jamparever]

The baptism date was 29.03.1799 at Kingston, Surrey but I don't know where the birth date came from. I bought his death certificate and it doesn't give a dob of course but age in 1841 was given as 45 yrs  so that makes him born c1796.
Nothing ever tallies right though and a lot of my information has come from the IGI site where a lot of guesstimations are made simply by the facts know at the time.

[millymcb]

It would be interesting to see what is in those poor relief records - it may say what he is doing in the militia and confirm he was not from Sussex.  Seems odd they would pay upkeep from someone who was not local - unless his wife'S family were from Sussex.

There are a couple of other John Lulham's around in Sussex at the time - there was a tailor and a cordwainer - one who was involved in a bastardy bond case...  (Records showing on national Archives search at East Sussex Records Office).   I also saw a record where a John Lulham of Sussex  was sentenced to death for sheep stealing..  It is possible that one of those was in the militia too and it is just a coincidence he also married an Elizabeth".

Milly

[jamparever]

I have sent for a copy of the records so will  need to wait and see. I previously had no details about his wife's parents so I followed up the possibility of her family livng at Udimore, even though she was baptised in Kingston.
I did find a possible birth for her father, Stephen Harris at Bodiam. Not being familiar with the geography of Sussex, I googled both towns and they seem to be reasonbly close to each other, so not to be discounted totally as a possibility.

The John involved in the bastardy case is his uncle. There were two brothers involved in the sheep stealing incident and I think they are also related and I am still working on linking up the Surrey & Sussex Lulhams.
James was hung and John was sent to Australia as a convict. James married an Elizabeth and John married a Charlotte and by coincidence, their son John was born 1799 also but in September.

Barbara

[KGarrad]

but age in 1841 was given as 45 yrs  so that makes him born c1796.

Ages on the 1841 census were (supposed to be) rounded down to a mutliple of 5 years.

So a quoted age of 45 actually meant aged 45 to 49!
That gives a dob c 1792-1796

[jamparever]

Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly. He died Dec 1841 age given as 45 but in 1841 census his age was given as 40.

re the Udimore Lulhams, I found deaths for John, Elizabeth and John jnr in Udimore today and none of it matches the Lulhams I am searching so I guess I can eliminate the maintenance order as my John, but will still wait and see what the records say.