Turnham Green

[andy48]

Thanks Cath151, as mentioned above I have that information.

[Valda]

Hi

If you have Thomas' second marriage and have him on the 1851 and 1861 censuses then you know his place of birth and his father's name and occupation?

Census schedules and listings, 1801—1831: an introduction and guide

Lists all the surviving censuses pre 1841 (you need to search under Middlesex

http://www.essex.ac.uk/history/Staff_Research/working-papers/MW-RW-BM.pdf


Examples of the sort of information found in earlier censuses

http://www.nwkfhs.org.uk/dartfordcensus.htm


As Thomas was a police officer in 1842 Metropolitan police records held at The National Archives may also give further information on him.


If Thomas Anderson married Sarah Duffin in 1819 then his birth would be in the C18th. If he is the man on the 1861 census RG9 20 folio 33 and 1851 census HO107 1469 folio 164 then he was born in Kensington circa 1807 which means he would be only 19 at the time of the birth of Edward Thomas who was born in early 1826. It would also mean he would be a widower on his 1841 marriage.

This marriage in the March quarter of 1841

Marriages Mar 1841   
Anderson   Thomas St James W    1 89    
THOMAS Sarah St Jas Wesr 1   89

So this burial for Sarah

Holy Trinity Brompton 20th February 1840
Sarah Anderson aged 38 Grosvenor Row

Information on death certificates do not contain maiden names e.g.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_176222.pdf


If you know Mary Sarah was newly born, do you know whether her birth was registered. If it was it will contain her mother's maiden name.


Regards

Valda

[andy48]

Hi Valda

Thanks again for your detailed response. You posed some interesting questions which I have tried to answer as follows:-

re Thomas' second marriage. I sent for two certificates on 11th Jan. Sarah's Death & Thomas' second Marriage to Sarah Thomas. They should arrive tomorrow or Wed.
His place of birth is Kensington on both 51 & 61. Turnham Green therefore remains a unresolved/mystery, why would George Edward have this as his place of birth. I had wondered about a connection between the first Sarah and TG.

The info you have found re Thomas Anderson and Sarah Duffin is essentially the same as mine. I have the actual parish record which says widower & widow. I have no way of connecting this Sarah Duffin to the death of Sarah Anderson in Feb 1840.

You mention Grosvenor Row, but this is in fact Yeomans Row.

6 Yeomans Row is the one factor that links everything apart from Edward Thomas Anderson 1826-1832.

George Edward, Edwin Thomas & Mary Sarah were all baptised together on 16/1/1842, abode = 6 Yeomans Row. I have Mary Sarah's birth certificate (yes - mothers maiden name Sarah Thomas), where born = 6 Yeomans Row. Sarah Anderson's (the first one) burial 20th Feb 1840 abode = Yeomans Row. The family of Sarah Mary Ann Thomas live in Yeomans Row (1841 census), parents and younger siblings. There are other facts that link the families from Yeomans Row to George Edward Anderson at his marriage in 1855.

Thanks for the tip re the police archives, I didn't know they existed.

All of which still leaves me to identify the maiden name of the first Sarah who died in 1840 and the probable mother to George Edward. I was hoping for some clue from the 1831 census. There are references to various lists in this post but some mention a visit to Chiswick library which I am not able to do.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,27992.msg402243.html

many thanks

[Valda]

Hi

From the list link already given - an 1801 census (heads of household and then a count without names) exists for Chiswick. Nothing after that until 1841.

The link given from a previous Rootschat topic seems to be about the 1801 census and rate books from about the same period, plus a list of overseers is mentioned. Parishes entrusted the care of the poor for instance to the parish overseers. They were responsible amongst other things for the collection of the rates which included the distribution of poor relief - so men of some education since they would have to keep accounts.
Rate payers contributed not just to poor relief but to all local services. The rate levied was based on the yearly value of the property. The ratepayer was the person who paid the local taxes and they could be the occupier or owner of the house. Rate books list householders geographically rather than alphabetically. No other members of the family or other personal details are shown.


Hounslow Archives collections

http://www.hounslow.info/libraries/localstudies/familyhistory.htm


You might want to check the West Middlesex Family History Society marriage index which is online with Findmypast for a possible marriage to the first Sarah.

http://www.west-middlesex-fhs.org.uk/content/indexes_general.aspx

George's age would limit the search to just before or possibly just after the birth in March 1826 of Edward Thomas.


Turnham Green and Kensington are about 3 miles apart and you went where the work took you. That might mean meeting your future wife or meeting her where you already lived. A young man of 18 or so might set out to explore the area moving from job to job.

'Despite much rebuilding, the village of Chiswick spread very little between the mid 18th and late 19th centuries. By 1801, with 1,023 inhabitants in 172 houses, it was less populous than Turnham Green, which by 1839 had the greater number of inns.'


Short history of the Metropolitan Police T Division which might be how, if only briefly, Thomas became a policeman.

http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=info&link=police/history.htm


Regards

Valda

[ReadyDale]

Not sure if this will help, but Yeomans Row leads to the rear entrance of the police station in Walton Street and at some points there were some buildings in Yeomans Row that were police "section houses". It could be his house went with his job.
(OH's dad was born in Yeomans Row, not police related though)

[andy48]

Many thanks ReadyDale, that's a great bit of information I didn't know. How did you find out? Are there maps? It helps tie things in greatly as I have a Geo Anderson, Police Constable, aged 20, at Walton Street Police Station in the 1851 census! I have always associated this with my George Edward Anderson but no proof.

[andy48]

Thanks again Valda - more good information.

I use Ancestry and don't have membership of Findmypast, too expensive to have both. So if anyone does and comes up with a record I would be very grateful, I could then use the PAYG to view.

regards
Andy

[ReadyDale]

Many thanks ReadyDale, that's a great bit of information I didn't know. How did you find out? Are there maps?

Andy, we initially found out as it was in the part-completed autobiography my OH's dad had written. It included a desciption of the street when he was young (1920's) and told how, when his own dad died, he was sent to the end of the street to fetch a constable.
Also, the police station is (or certainly was) still there when we paid a visit about 3 years ago. I believe it was now used by diplomatic protection officers (although that is only here say).
As for an old map, try www.old-maps.co.uk. Enter in to the co-rdinates boxes 527440 179170, then select one of the early maps in the "available maps" box to the right. The top one 1850-1851 is the right era, but isn't very detailed. The second, 1869-1878 is a lot more detailed.
Also, you can "see" the street using Google Maps (although bear in mind many of the building have been rebuilt - even since the 20's - as this is quite a sought-after area now, close to Harrods)

[andy48]

Thanks for that ReadyDale, all this info re the police has been really helpful. I saw the old maps and on one could see Queens Gardens where this family moved to after Yeomans Row. It doesn't exist now so it was good to see it so close to Yeomans.
Andy