Australian Census - ROBERTS

[Pauline H]

I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,

Pauline may I ask who gave you that information please?

Was the marriage the same date and place on all three birth registrations in Victoria?

Cheers
Cando

I have the death certificate of Thomas Earl Roberts. On this it states Mother: Mary Roberts nee Nihall and Father: Edward Roberts..I have the Birth registrations for Thomas, brother Henry and their daughter Ellen. On these it states when and where married and listed as September 1862 in Melbourne. On Ellen's Birth certificate the marriage is listed as August 1862 in Melbourne and Edward being from Chester, not Liverpool as is stated on the twins b.c...From what I can make out Henry lived 21 days and other info there Ellen is mentioned as a 2 year old.

[cando]

I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,

Pauline

Pauline may I ask who gave you this information please?

I find the information that Henry lived 21 days a bit odd. 
Where did that come from? 
It is usual to list previous living children on birth certificates in Victoria. 
It seems to me that you have read that on Thomas's birth certificate that Ellen is 2 years old and possibly if the birth registration was a number of days after the birth of Thomas and Henry, that the elder twin would be listed as XX number of days of age because he is previous issue to the younger twin.  A bit difficult when the information on certificates is not detailed including column headings ...  you have the advantage of having the certs and we do the guessing.  All part of the challenge

There is no death registered for a Henry ROBERTS in Victoria with parents Robert and Mary CAULFIELD therefore I think you have misinterpreted the information on the birth certificate.

So there is no actual date for the marriage. It is usual to have the date in full ie day, month and year. I doubt there was a marriage as there is definitely nothing for an Edward ROBERTS to anyone in 1862.  What were Edward and Mary's ages on the birth certs?  Who was the informant?

I note there was a Mary CAULFIELD in a spot of bother with her employer in 1862 in Ballarat. 


Cheers
Cando

[Pauline H]

I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,

Pauline

Pauline may I ask who gave you this information please?

I find the information that Henry lived 21 days a bit odd. 
Where did that come from? 
It is usual to list previous living children on birth certificates in Victoria. 
It seems to me that you have read that on Thomas's birth certificate that Ellen is 2 years old and possibly if the birth registration was a number of days after the birth of Thomas and Henry, that the elder twin would be listed as XX number of days of age because he is previous issue to the younger twin.  A bit difficult when the information on certificates is not detailed including column headings ...  you have the advantage of having the certs and we do the guessing.  All part of the challenge

There is no death registered for a Henry ROBERTS in Victoria with parents Robert and Mary CAULFIELD therefore I think you have misinterpreted the information on the birth certificate.

So there is no actual date for the marriage. It is usual to have the date in full ie day, month and year. I doubt there was a marriage as there is definitely nothing for an Edward ROBERTS to anyone in 1862.  What were Edward and Mary's ages on the birth certs?  Who was the informant?

I note there was a Mary CAULFIELD in a spot of bother with her employer in 1862 in Ballarat. 


Cheers
Cando

Thomas is the elder of twins and Henry the youngest of twins. Very hard to distinguish the word prior to "25days" on Henry's certificate. I have looked again under light to see what the word was and it now looks like Thomas Earl 25 days and written under Ellen 2yrs. Twins 25 days apart?. Makes more sense that the registration was done 25 days after the birth. Edward's age 36 and Mary's age 34. The information comes from the birth registrations in the district of Ballarat Victoria. On Ellen's marriage and death certificate only her parents names are recorded. To be honest I cannot really remember whether I actually made a phone call or emailed the department in Victoria registering B.D.M. I suspect it would have been a phone call as I usually print out info or keep copies. As mentioned in previous posts Edward and Mary were very hard to track in Ballarat. Hope this helps a little bit.

[Billyblue]

It is not unknown for twins to be born days or more apart.
Check this website for some examples

http://multiples.about.com/od/funfacts/a/twindiffbday.htm

Dawn M

[GlenysJ]

Hi, Pauline.
My g-grandfather was Henry John Roberts, an ex-soldier of the 56th Regiment, who married Sarah Jane Milroy. I only discovered he was at one time a soldier earlier today, because I'd been confused by other men with the name Henry Roberts in Australia. I don't know when they were married. My understanding is that members of the Milroy family traveled through South Africa, America and Australia before reaching NZ, but I have no firm knowledge of Sarah's movements beyond her traveling with the family. My grandmother was Mary Alexandra Roberts (the name Alexandra coming from one of the several 'Alexandra Mines' worldwide). I have no firm knowledge so far of my Henry Roberts being in Australia - though  I think it's almost certain he was - but if so, his leaving Australia for NZ would fit in with your time frame and explain your difficulty in finding information on his death. I hope this information is of some help.

[Pauline H]

Hi Glenys - gosh, it has been ages since I have done anything this side of the family..I hope you get this as I was sent a photo of Henry (one of twins) and his brother  Thomas Earl..does that ring any bells for you. If so I am quite happy to send you a copy and all the information that I have via email..I mentioned our Henry was a twin to at least see if we are talking about the same..I know I found it very hard on gathering information about Henry, but did pick up a little bit more on Thomas. Hope to hear back from you.

Hi, Pauline.
My g-grandfather was Henry John Roberts, an ex-soldier of the 56th Regiment, who married Sarah Jane Milroy. I only discovered he was at one time a soldier earlier today, because I'd been confused by other men with the name Henry Roberts in Australia. I don't know when they were married. My understanding is that members of the Milroy family traveled through South Africa, America and Australia before reaching NZ, but I have no firm knowledge of Sarah's movements beyond her traveling with the family. My grandmother was Mary Alexandra Roberts (the name Alexandra coming from one of the several 'Alexandra Mines' worldwide). I have no firm knowledge so far of my Henry Roberts being in Australia - though  I think it's almost certain he was - but if so, his leaving Australia for NZ would fit in with your time frame and explain your difficulty in finding information on his death. I hope this information is of some help.