Griffin LAWS Sarah HEARN

[EA69]

As EA69 and a RootsChat newby, a few days ago I asked a question about the wife of Charles LAWS. As a result of excellent work by people in this group, my focus has changed to Griffin and Sarah LAWS, Sarah being a much more likely prospect as my direct maternal line mitochondrial DNA ancestor.

My interest is therefore in establishing the BDM dates for Griffin and Sarah, the names of all their children and BDM dates if known. Can anyone confirm that a daughter Mary, about 1798-1882, married William MOORE and had a large family, and that one of their daughters, Elizabeth 1823-1914 (my GGgrandmother) married John BONE ?. John and Elizabeth emigrated to Armidale, NSW, Australia in about 1865 with a large family and their last few children were born there.

Some of these questions have been answered above, but as a very inexperienced genealogist, further help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alan

[EA69]

FamilySearch has two options for the parents of Mary Laws :1797-1890 (KGQ5-1MW)

Option 1 : Griffin LAWS 1771-1832 (LRIK-4LP) married Sarah HEARN : 1771-1830 (L29M-G6T) on 9 Jan 1797.
Griffin's parents were Thomas LAWS + Mary DAVEY. Sarah's were Richard HEARN(E) + Mary HARPER.

Option 2 : Thomas LAWS (MYS7-XR3) + Sarah unknown (MYS7-XR6)

I prefer the first option as it appeared elsewhere, but can anyone find other sources ?

[trish1120]

Marriage;
16 Jul 1822 St Andrew, Congham
William MOORE Singleman of Congham Parish
Mary LAWS Single woman of Snettisham Parish
Witnesses Francis MOORE/Elizabeth MOORE

Bapts of children Congham but no Elizabeth c 1823?

1851 we have;

William More 56 Head Farm Bailiff
Mary More 54 Wife born East Winch****
Francis More 24 Son
Sarah More 13 Daughter
Frances L More 11 Daughter

1841 Census
William Moore 45 Bailiff
Mary Moore 40
Francis Moore 15
Mary Moore 12
William Moore 10
James Moore 8
Maurice Moore 5
Sarah Moore 2
Frances Moore 6 mths

Elizabeths Marriage to John Bone 28 Mar 1846 Grimston has her father as William a Shepherd***
Witnesses Ellessa MOORE/William NEALS
Extra info his mark; she signed; Other Wits: Mary Ann Moore

ELIZABETH Moore bapt  18 May 1823 St Botolph, Grimston to WILLIAM/MARY
Father a Labourer or Shepherd
Siblings;
Ann 1815
Hannah 1817
Martha 1822
Francis 1825
Margaret 1826
John 1828
Ann 1830
Thomas 1833

1851 in East Rudham we have;
Mary Moore 42 Head Widow born St Magdalene  image MAY BE 62****
John Moore 23 Son Ag Lab born Grimston
Thomas Moore 18 Son Ag Lab corn Grimston

John married 1852 and named his Father a William a Shepherd
Thomas in 1857 same info

1841 in East Rudham we have;
Mary Moore Nk
John Moore 10
James Moore 5 image is Thomas*
Anne Moore 10

Although Elizabeth Bones Oz Death Reg has her Parents as William/Mary does the actual cert have her as Mary Laws???

[rosie99]

The original poster has not been on here for a couple of years, they last posted on this thread in 2017.

Hopefully they will be notified that you have posted on here EA69 and reply to your posts 

[Spelk]

This topic has been discussed recently on the Beginners Board. “Christopher Laws”
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=893978.0
Hope the link works

Looking at Ancestry trees (with cup of salt to hand) for this family  - most have no baptism for time and place of Sarah HEARN's birth but some trees say her parents were Richard HEARN (1746-?) and Mary HARPER (1746-1777).

Possible baptism at Pentney NFK 17 May 1772. Sarah dar of Richard and Mary HERNE 17 May 1772.
Richard HERNE and Mary HARPER were married in Pentney 8 Apr 1766.

Pentney is not far south of where the family lived later.

Some of trees on Ancestry show family photos such as Elizabeth BONE nee MOORE who they say died 1914 aged about 90 if I remember right.

[EA69]

Pleading guilty to posting on both boards plus private, but as a newby I’m still baffled on how to find my way around RootsChat; such as trying to flip between this board, BEGINNERS and similar PRIVATE posts. If I manage to find them all again it may be best to put them together in a text document ?.

I have learned some geography though and the LAWS, MOORE and BONE maybe HEARN(E) families lived in a circle of around 12k diameter centered on Grimston with Kings Lynn on the left edge. Other LAWS live round Norwich, and ‘never (seldom) the Twain shall meet’.

My maternal ancestors MOORE + BONE moved to Australia around 1856 (children born in Norfolk and NSW) so those lines are almost cast in bronze.

Finding the bronze to cast Option 1 is moore difficult !
I have elected to use WikiTree (Moore-100433) but in retrospect FamilySearch probably has a much larger database (Moore LR1K-336).

Yes - the link worked.
Whichever lady emerges as the proven wife, she is my mtDNA ancestral line.

[trish1120]

1861 Census in Roydon confirms Mother of Elizabeth Moore;

William Moore 66 Head Farmer of 19 acres + 1 man
Mary Moore 64 Wife born East Winch*
Francis Moore 25 Son
Sarah Moore 22 Daughter
Rosbery Bone 10 Grandson born    Grimston******

Bapt
21 Aug 1797 All Saints East Winch
MARY Laws daug of GRIFFIN/SARAH
Edit Sunday accidentially put Elizabeth yesterday!

As there were 2 William/Mary Moore couples around it was a little confusing to me at first

1851 for that family;
William More 56 Head Farm Bailiff
Mary More 54 Wife born East Winch****
Francis More 24 Son
Sarah More 13 Daughter
Frances L More 11 Daughter

And 1841;
William Moore 45
Mary Moore 40
Francis Moore 15
Mary Moore 12
William Moore 10
James Moore 8
Maurice Moore 5
Sarah Moore 2
Frances Moore 6 mths

Burial;
Rookwood, Sydney
Frances Laws Williams
Age   76
Birth Date   abt 1840
Death Date 5 Feb. 1916

[Spelk]

Adding a bit to what Trish wrote

GRO INDEX (which is free)
Birth q3 1840 Frances MOORE mmn LAWS Freebridge Lynn Union vol 13 page 131
[ That certificate is available to download for the cost of £3. ]

Baptisms at Congham -
1840 Sep 1 (born Aug 18) Frances Laws daughter of William and Mary MOORE abode Congham occupation Shepherd.
[ The birth certificate will not give much more information than the birth certificate. Maybe the exact cottage in which they lived and the name of the person making the birth registration ; probably the mother ]

I attach a copy the baptism record which is availablle free from Familysearch. This is the sort of information which you need to be collecting Alan. Not depending on secondary or third or fourth hand stuff from Wikitree or any other tree. Such things can be useful qs hints but are often wrong.

[Spelk]

FamilySearch has two options for the parents of Mary Laws :1797-1890 (KGQ5-1MW)

Option 1 : Griffin LAWS 1771-1832 (LRIK-4LP) married Sarah HEARN : 1771-1830 (L29M-G6T) on 9 Jan 1797.
Griffin's parents were Thomas LAWS + Mary DAVEY. Sarah's were Richard HEARN(E) + Mary HARPER.

Option 2 : Thomas LAWS (MYS7-XR3) + Sarah unknown (MYS7-XR6)

I prefer the first option as it appeared elsewhere, but can anyone find other sources ?

Just to put this confusing bit of info to bed -
Both baptisms are said to have taken place on 21 Aug 1797 at East Winch. One has the father's name as Griffin and one has the father as Thomas. In 1797 there were just nine baptisms at East Winch.
Checking the images rather than just accepting the transcripts (as one should always do when possible)
It is clear that the transcripts are both correct. They are true versions of the original.
The record which gives the name as Griffin is the Parish Register.
The record which gives the name as Thomas is the Bishop's Transcript (BT).

So when they made up the BT they got it wrong.

Worth noting that the BT shows a marriage 7 Oct 1797 between Abraham DENTON and Ellen ALTORTON?.
Witness to that wedding were: Mary LAWS, Thomas LAWS (marked), John BIRD

I checked the image for the actual marriage and it is Thomas LAWS there also. So this is a different man or maybe Griffin was sometimes called Thomas.

Marriage at East WINCH ?? Oct 1780 - Thomas LAWS Widower and Mary DENTON Widow. So the witnesses at the 1797 marriage were not the same people as Griffin LAWS and some Mary LAWS. So the BT for the baptism of Mary LAWS in 1797 was just a clerical error and the father is Griffin LAWS not Thomas.
CORRECTION the LAWS DENTON marriage was in 1779 not 1780