James Watts 1863 Dover

[watts47]

Hi. I am trYing to find proof of this birth/baptism. I believe he had a brother Charles born 1866 Dover. Their mother was a Phoebe Watts. In 1871 they are lodging in Hillingdon with their mother and sister Emily.
1881 James is a footman at 33 Marine Parade,Dover for the Passingham family. He then seems to disappear withoout trace as does his brother after 1871 census.

Very grateful for any help.Thanks

[CaroleW]

I am about to scream as RC has lost the lengthy reply I have just posted!!

Shortened version (which I will save in Word as a precaution)

1871 shows Emily b Ealing 1855/56 and Phoebe b Hillingdon 1830/31

Baptism of a Rose Emily Watts in Hayes Hillingdon 1857 - attached as it is a poor entry

Rose E aged 4 b Ealing is living with Grandmother Susan Watts 49 widow in 1861

Go back to the 1841 census and Susan has a daughter Phoebe aged 4 which suggests the children were all illegitimate

[watts47]

Thank you but was particuarly looking for James and Charles both of Dover.
As I say the last of James I found was the 1881 at 33 Marine Parade,Dover as a footman -no trace of Charles after 1871.

If anyone can help me find their baptisms etc would be most grateful.

[panda40]

I have checked St Marys Dover parish records for you and neither is listed. There are a large number of Watts recorded but no matches I'm afraid. There are a number of Dover parishes on the Kent on line parish clerks website that you can check to see if they are listed else where.
Regards panda

[watts47]

Thanks-which link do I use for those-Cheers

[Bill749]

As they were living in Marine Parade it might be worth looking at either St James or Holy Trinity

Bill

[watts47]

Thanks-will try that.

[Annette7]

Something for you to consider:

Rose Emily named as Emily by Phoebe on 1871 census.   Could this also have applied with James and Charles i.e. did they have 2 christian names too and Phoebe used their second names in 1871.

A Thomas James Watts birth was reg'd Mar.qtr.1862 Dover - I cannot find him before 1891 census when he is as Thomas J. Watts boarding in Lewisham (ref.RG12 - 521 - 10 - 13).

Is James actually Thomas James?    He married a Francis Ada Denham Sept.1891 Isle of Wight, Hampshire and continues as Thomas J. in the next 2 census.

Using the same scenario the closest I can find to a Charles (not in Dover itself) is a Horace Charles Watts reg'd Sept.qtr.1864 Medway, Kent.   Likewise, can't find this person as a Horace after his birth so was he actually your Charles.
I can't find any trace of Charles (even as Horace) after your last sighting.   He could well have emigrated but too many Watts to be able to locate him in passenger lists.

Incidentally, just for my own peace of mind, what happened to Phoebe and Emily after 1871 as I can't find them again either.

Annette