Tritonville Rd; Change in house # in the 1940's

[sandlotball]

Yes, yes the more you say, the more I remember !
I distinctly recall talk of a general "buy-out" arrangement having taken place but the actual title holders, to either the land, or home refusing it & demanding possession after my grandmother's passing (and THAT being the root of my father's anger). The things he said at the time are now in proper perspective vis a vis the English, the Irish and Independence.

As I seem to be the only living member of the family with any knowledge of there even being an issue some 30-odd years ago, the information you've given has been terrifically helpful to my recall, thanks.

Certainly got off on a tangent from a house numbering question !

I've just now been looking for a link to these buy-out arrangements, but I suppose it's an obscure subject. If anyone knows of one, that would be great.

[hasta]

 I wonder if the house was leased from the The Pembroke Estates.
(Vicounts Fitzwilliam) being where it is. They owned most of South City and South County Dublin.

Have 3 similar instances in my own family in 1940's, 1950's and 1980's -
In the 1940's the leaseholder died and family were given the option to buy which they did, a very reduced price.
In 1950's the leaseholder died and family were asked to leave and given a choice of smaller properties.
In the 1980's the leaseholder died and no offer was made for family to buy it and the house was just handed back. All properties were in Dublin 4 very close to Tritonville Rd.
In the 1980's instance the lady had lived in the house about 35 years and I think family were under the impression that she had long bought it, only to find out that she hadn't - wonder if something like that happened in you case.

[sandlotball]

Adee - thanks for throwing out those names, it's a lead I can follow up on.

It may well be the same family, as I recall my father using the terms "vast holdings", "this family" ( pejoratively, of the title holders) & "aristocratic theft of land" & saying it was an "anachronism" of the occupation. (He was on the phone to Ireland often regarding the situation, to whom I don't know). So what you say fits with what I recall over hearing.

So with vicounts Fitzwilliam as the family, am I correct to assume Pembroke Estates would be the title of their holding company ?

[shanew147]

back to the original question - the street numbering for the lower even numbers looks the same in 1944 right through to 1962. The same surname appears at number 8 throughout....


Shane

[shanew147]

update - from about 1949 onwards there's a second Mansfield household at number 12.


Shane

[shanew147]

some details on the Pembroke Estate / Viscounts Fitzwilliam here :
 
  http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Herbert/dublin.estate.html


Shane

[eadaoin]

to get a bit of background on the Ground Rent thing,  I Googled

ireland "ground rent" ACRA .... lots of hits

Thinking back to my in-laws, they lived in an old house and their ground lease was quite short. (when the lease ran out, one had to hand back the land and all on it, as far as I know). So they bought out the Ground Rent in 1970s.

Our own house has a 500 year lease from 1960s, so we never bothered to buy out the rent!

eadaoin

[sandlotball]

back to the original question - the street numbering for the lower even numbers looks the same in 1944 right through to 1962. The same surname appears at number 8 throughout....

Shane

update - from about 1949 onwards there's a second Mansfield household at number 12.

Shane

Oy vey, now I'm really scratching my head.

The only number we've ever heard is 12. #12 this, #12 that. All the letters I have to my father & a brother of his who travelled around as a missionary all have a return address of #12, as well as every old photo in front of the house showing the number 12 above the door. Even in the 1970's the bayonet marks left in the wall by the black & tans were still there, on display in #12, & there in the backyard of #12 were the trees my father helped her care for in the 1920's.

Nobody ever heard of #8 until the census came out a few years ago.

An uncle did move onto Tritonville after he married in the 40's - possibly next door, I don't know, never the less - from what you're telling me, my grandmother is recorded at #8 until at least 1962.

This is terrifically baffling ...

[shanew147]

The later entries are all a bit to recent, and pushing the RootsChat "no details allowed in posts on living people", so I'll send the actual names to you by personal message (PM) - might help clear things up..


Shane