ADAMS HERBERT: James Adams marriage to Sarah Herbert, 1859 - 1867

[lawless48]

Eyesee and Tazzie, thank you so very much for your help and contribution: I shall pursue the 1864 marriage  - hopefully this will reap some news and maybe mention of herbert. Warm regards and many thanks again. Steve

[lawless48]

Dear Friends

Thank you so very very very very very much for all your help in my reaserah
After some 10 years following deadends; buying the wrong certificates following mistakes - success -and its all due to you !!!

I purchased the certificate of James Adams and Sarah Wilton and guess what? Sarah was a Widow and her Father was James Herbert - you were so right

The marriage took place in the Holborn Registery Office in 1864 - whereever that was but it matched Adams perfectly

James aged 23 was a Carman - the same as his son Henry Robert - who drove, according to my Mum, his granddaughter, a Handsome Cab
James's father, also called James was a Painter and Glazier - I need to check a 18 Green Street, where the Adams family lived but I feel I do know from previous research that it was in Clerkenwell and that the family were mostly Britsol Born

Sarah, aged 28, was a Widow and lived at 31 New North Street, which I need to check
Her Father, James was a Shoemaker, clearly still alive at the time of the marriage

So very exciting to at last discover the Herbert match

Both James and Sarah signed their names

However, an interesting titbit

One of the Witnesses was an Isabella Herbert, the other Elizabeth Brown (who made her mark x)

Wow ! I now have the marriage Certificate and Sarah's father but also this Isabella - mother; sister (sister-in-law)  - I am too happy to be fussed - but a massive THANK YOU

Now the search to go back begins

Best Wishes

Steve

[lawless48]

CORRECTION: FATHER WAS THOMAS NOT JAMES - in all the excitement what a mistake to make - sorry

Steve

With Thomas, you were all very right again
Wow

Steve

[tazzie]

  Hi Steve....

 Glad to have helped.
 I can see an Isabella as Sarah's sister in Little Whites Alley in 1841/51 would you like the census?

  Tazzie

[lawless48]

Hi Tazzie

Yes, just located by accident while searching for where Little Whites Alley is - someone searching desperately some 5 years ago for the marriage of Thomas and Mary Ann

Stated some details of the Census but I would appreciate the Census Please

Also, on the marriage certificate it states Thomas as the father of Sarah - but according to this researcher, Mary Ann was a Widow with 6 children including Sarah and yes Isabella

Also, stated that Mary's birth place as Ashburton or Devonport

A younger son, Thomas, seems born around 1838 may render Mary's maiden name  - but I checked the Free Births and doesnt seem to be any for 1838

Looking forward to the Census

Thanks

Steve

[tazzie]

  Hi Steve
  here's 1841 in full ..
 civil parish St Clement Danes
 borough of Finsbury Liberty of the Rolls

 Little Whites Alley  (no number given)
 Mary Herbert 40 shoe closer not born in county
 Ann                20 fs (female servant)
 William           15 printers app
 Elizabeth        13
 James             11
 Sarah                7
 Isabella            5
 Thomas            3 all children born in county
 HO107/686  F11 P16
 AND IN 1851
 14 Whites Alley HO107/1512 F 452 P20
 Mary Ann Herbert hd w 52 laundress Devonport
 James T                son u 21 law   all children St Dunstans West
 Isabella                dau u 14 scholar
 Thomas                son u 13

  Tazzie

[tazzie]

 Hi
  Baptism of Ann

 born 21 Oct 1822
 bapt 18 May 1823  father Thomas mother Mary Ann
                              of Shoe Lane     father Shoe maker
at St Andrew Holborn

 also
 Thomas James Herbert born29 Dec 1824
                                      bap 22 May 1825  father Thomas mother Mary Ann
 of Red Lion Court a shoemaker
 also
 William Herbert born20 April 1826 bap 25 June 1826
                       father Thomas mother Mary Ann
 of Shoe Lane father a cordwainer
 also
 James Thomas Herbert born 30 Nov 1829
                                      bapt 4 July 1830 father Thomas mother Mary Ann
 of Shoe Lane  father shoemaker
 all at Holborn

 Tazzie

[lawless48]

Hi Tazzie

Thank you so very much for all of this information

Interesting that Mary Ann born Devonport - looks like I'll have to see if I can obtain the Thomas birth certificate of 1838 approx  - just over the Civil Reg - I just hope I can get it- -with 7 children to support and many at School - how was Mary managing? Help from relatives?

James and Sarah Adams in the later Census 1871/ 1881 always mentioned the birth as Middlesex St Dunstan - but I always assumed this was St Dunstan in the East - in fact its St Dunstan's in the West

I wonder where that marriage is?

Thanks again

Steve

[Lynda02]

Hi
I recently came across this thread while researching this Adams family for a friend. Her grandfather was Henry Adams born 1887 and his father Henry born 1867.

Do you have anything about the son of Henry (1887) also named Henry born in 1909. I have found most census records up until 1911, for which I can not find Henry 1909 or his parents.

You may be related to my friend.
Lynda