Nova Scotia birth 1865 J.H. B. Bagenal

[J.J.]

Would not be surprised if there were more only daughters from other families, whose sons may have chosen to take the mother's surname in order to secure property as in this incomplete family history.
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2017/10/309-bagenal-of-dunleckney-manor-and.html
 

[LaLisa]

Yes I have looked down the available trees to see if there are any obvious places where in laws changed their name. As you imply this was a line with few male heirs...

[LaLisa]

Had a breakthrough in moving up this line last night.

Attached to "John Doyle Bagenall (senior)" 's pension records is a whole host of information and certificates.

This includes a french hand written marriage certificate with John Doyle Bagenall's father as given as Jonathan Bagnall and his mother as Catherine Ridge. Looking at Catherine a number of things confirm this including a description of her sons health on a pension she we given by the UK government and also that she has the name Sedley in her line. John's brother is called Robert Sedley - it is quite easy to track her line as her father was King's Consul.

So feeling quite pleased. Slightly harder to trace on the Bagnall side. This could be the Jonathan Whose father is John Bagley ABT 1748 • Little Kiltobber, Rahew, Co. Meath, Ireland - but I am still looking for more information to confirm that.

[J.J.]

We simply must get you to crop your image edges as you can see they take up a great deal of width so are hard to navigate!!!

That is a great find, congrats LaLisa!!! Funny, as I was looking at the Sedley bunch but did not find the connection, as I was thinking John could be the father's name but was not using Jon* but John*.  Also was stuck on that extra e in Bagenal, hoping it was used by family 
The national archives has this bit of information on passing around of manorial land...

14 May 1741   ACC/0276/407
Title:   Copy of court roll: manor of Colham. Admission of Anna Mole and Catherine Sumner Sedley as daughters and heirs of John Weeden, deceased.
Description:   
Premises: 2 acres in Hyde Field and 5 acres in Cowley Field.   

 1 Aug 1759 ACC/0809/MSS/169 Surrender by John Ridge and Catherine his wife (formerly Catherine Sumner Sedley) of Oat Close and Grafton Mead Close to the use of the said John Ridge.

31 Aug. 1769  ACC/0809/MSS/75
Admission of Thomas Mole of Denham, Bucks to a moiety of 2 closes containing nine acres, one known as Oat Close, the other as Grafton Mead Close.

31 Jan 1774 ACC/0809/MSS/385 Conditional Surrender
1. John Ridge
2. John Dawson of Uxbridge, esq. Moiety of closes called Oat Close and Grafton Mead.
To secure £100 and Interest to be paid on 31 Jan. 1775
Warrant of satisfaction from J. Dawson attached.

12 Nov. 1779  ACC/0809/MSS/82  Admission of "John Somner Sedley" under the will of Thomas Mole to a moiety of Oat Close and Grafton Mead Close.

12 Nov 1779  ACC/0809/MSS/083 Admission of "Michael Ridge", trustee under the will of "John Ridge" to a moiety of Oat Close and Grafton Mead Close containing nine acres.

5 Feb  1796 ACC/0809/MSS/450 Authority to Acknowledge Satisfaction
1. Wm. Burke of Beaconsfield, Bucks., esq.
2. John Ridge, the son of "Jn. Ridge' of St. Margarets, Westminster, deceased For £600 and Interest.

29 Feb 1796   ACC/0809/MSS/449 Warrant of Satisfaction
1. Jonathan Bagnal of Anne Street, Dublin, gent. and Catherine his wife
2. John Ridge of St. Margarets, Westminster, esq., deceased
For £800 charged by 2. on his copyhold premises as a portion for his eldest daughter.

11 April 1796  ACC/0809/MSS/170
Conditional Surrender by William Ridge and Ellis his wife given to James Melbourne of a moiety of 2 closes of meadow land, Oat Close and Grafton Mead Close containing nine acres at the back of White Horse Inn. As security for an annuity of £20 to be paid to the 2 sons of James Melbourne.

9 Mar 1797ACC/0809/MSS/171 Surrender by John William Ridge and Ellis his
wife to the use of James Melbourne of a moietyof 2 closes, called Oat Close and Grafton Mead Close at the back of the White Horse Inn.

adding: there's an Oat Close in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire ?
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/9fd56a04-3d64-4a69-9336-b73979967cf5

Cowley: Manor https://search.lma.gov.uk/LMA_DOC/ACC_0809.PDF

[LaLisa]

Thanks for the info.

I am pretty sure I found Jonathan Bagenall and Catherine Ridge's 3rd son. He is Edmund Burke Bagenall b 1792. Catherine Ridge is a witness at his wedding in 1819 to Isabella Sherriff

Wierdly he has two weddings recorded one in 1817 and one in 1823 to the same woman. They are by bans and by licence.

The politician Edmund Burke was a friend of the family and gave Catherine Ridge a pension of £100 a year. So another reason why this is probably the third son.

He also predeceased his mother which is fits in with the parliamentary record I posted earlier.

I found an obituary for Edmund in a paper saying he was a journalist in London. He died in 1836.

I also found the birth certificate of another son for John Doyle Bagenall senior and Florentina  b 1920 in Dunkerque - John Symonds Burke Bagenall. He may have died young because I find no later reference to him in the family papers or records in Ceylon. But helps make a slightly stronger case that Edmund Burke Bagenall is the third brother.

[J.J.]

This may be of interest...also in the archives: John Doyle's brother:
The correspondence of the 5th Duke of Richmond Bagenall, Ensign Robert S.: 16 letters, 1832-1857

"Edmund Burke is remembered for his support for Catholic emancipation, the impeachment of Warren Hastings from the East India Company, and his staunch opposition to the French Revolution!"


Father as: Jean Dayle Bagenall
Mother:  Florentine Longine Therese Sebastienne Josephine Lecuana
  Isabelle Bagenall  22 February 1819  Dunkirk, Nord, France
  Henri Sedley Bagenall    26 Feb 1821   Dunkerque, Nord, France
  Florentine Simmone Bagenall    22 April 1823 Dunkirk, Nord, France
       "April 6th 1841 at Colombo, W. H. Underwood, Esq., 95th Regiment, to Flora
           third daughter of the late Capt. J. D. Bagenall, Ceylon Rifle Regiment."
  Cornille Thérèse Bagenall    30 April 1825  Dunkirk, Nord, France
  Jean Edmond Burke Bagenall   2 October 1827  Dunkirk, Nord, France
          Edmund Bagenall Birth Date 1828  Birthplace Dunkirk  Age 20   
           Draft Registration  Event Date 12 Feb 1847  United Kingdom
FHS has the above as births & I see "birth certificate" on the images, but can't read the whole thing 
   ie: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3WP-VZTL?cc=3216848
John Doyle Bagenall  Chr:4 May 1830 St Martin in the Fields, Westminster, London, Eng
   d.1834 Sat 7 Jun: D: At Fort Macdonald, on the 30th ultimo, aged four years and five months,    John Doyle, fourth son of Captain Bagenall, Ceylon Rifles.
Wilson Thomas Bagenall  Birth 1834 Lanka, Central, Sri Lanka
    1837 Wed 22 Jan : B: On the 7th instant, at Nuwera Ellia, the Lady of Captain J D Bagenall, Ceylon Rifles, of a son. BAGENALL George- chr: Dutch Church Galle South Ceylon Sri Lanka

But then I see this at the  archives https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C17362027
Perhaps there is more in that file as well?

added: Just checked the front of the Dunkirk register and it does say "births!" https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3WP-VNNY?i=2&cc=3216848

[LaLisa]

Wow the National Archives document is gold dust! Thank you so much. And freely available for anyone to look at - it is folio number 231 page 375/

It is a statement of service.
It tells us the battles he fought in e.g. Battle of Victoria (he states he served under Wellington at the Siege of San Sebastian) and also what he did at the end of the war. He was an adjudant in Fuentearrabbia which is right by where Florentina was brought up in Oyarzun. I do wonder if they ran away together because she was just 17 when they married in Bordeaux.

It also describes his wounds which were a gun shot through the body and arm. I had imagined he had lost his arm to a sword for some reason!. 

I would love to go and read those letters from Robert Sedley Bagenall too. Maybe one day I will make a trip to Sussex. But for now I am very happy - thanks

[LaLisa]

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