Nova Scotia birth 1865 J.H. B. Bagenal

[Pat R]

Thank you so much!

This was more than I'd ever hoped for, and so interesting as well.

If anybody can shed light on what happened to the elder brothers, John J Doyle Bagenal, b 1856, and Francis H Walsh Bagenal b 1859 - both Canada, possibly Halifax, I would be very grateful.

Best wishes

Pat

[marwillar]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-25490-436-20?cc=1925428&wc=M9HJ-FB9:772593292

Nova Scotia, Church Records, 1720-2001HalifaxHalifaxCatholic St Mary's Basilica
Jan 10, 1854 Henry Sedley Joseph Maria Bagenall to Louisa Mary Creighton

Do you know which regiment he was attached to in Halifax?

[J.J.]

Great find on the marriage! Welcome to rootschat marwiller


 First commissioned rank: Oct 1 1840...Not seen any info as to his actual regiment....
The 1865/66 directory in NewBrunswick had him already working the military store

Didn't find anything positive on the brothers, PatR but just jotted down the odd thing in order from the earlier finds by rootschatters...and other bits as they came up...I imagine you have it all by now, though...

1854 married Louisa Mary ( Catherine) Creighton N.S. Canada
c.  1856, John J. Doyle Bagenal    b 1859 Francis H Walsh Bagenal    James J.B.Bagenal 1861
 1863 New Brunswick - Captain Henry Sedley Bagnal ( of the Military Staff,) married Eliza Maria Jessey Doherty (O'Doherty)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/correction/8819368 also in channel bmd as    "Eliza Josephine Doherty"
? c.1864/1865 John Henry Beauchamp Bagenal  d.1897 Mile End Old Town, London, England
1869 African Commissarian Dept.
 Superintendant of stores ( deputy commissary) stationed at Devonpt. GunWharf Feb. 12 1870
 1871- Superintendant of stores in Guernsey
 1871 birth of Edmund William Beaucamp bengal  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGBM-K6T
1872/73 - Devonpt. GunWharf 
1873 death of son Edmund William Beaucamp Bagenal
1874 death of Eliza
1874/1875 retired   http://books.google.ca/books?id=VuERAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA269

1877- married Anna Frost   187 1880 Ada Mary    George Sedley 1878
There is a Clara Gertrude Bagenal 1882 Camberwell, the other surnames appear as Bagnall/Bagnell etc.

Likely relatives 1817 87th Reg of foot ....ensign Robert Sedley Bagenall, Lt. John Doyle Bagenall
also a Lt. William Cathcart Bagnall ( born Dublin, also served in Canada)  listed 66th Reg of Foot 1813-1817
books.google.ca/books?id=dgUcAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA590&lpg=PA590&dq=Bagenall

1829 Ceylonrifle Regt 29th Foot -John Doyle Bagenall  http://books.google.ca/books?id=OEDzAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA772
( a William and a George & Edmund also in Ceylon military http://ceylondatabase.net/military.html)
Note HSR's loss of a son Endmund Wm
His arm was amputated after battle in 1809- http://archive.org/stream/recordofeightyse00canniala/recordofeightyse00canniala_djvu.txt

Robert Sedley, some children
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3A%22robert%20sedley%22%20%2Bfather_surname%3ABagenall~

also:http://www.napoleon-series.org/research/biographies/GreatBritain/Challis/Images1-50/027.pdf


another spelling if French origins could also be Baguenault
Interesting if your ancestry is Irish  http://catholicheritage.blogspot.ca/2011/04/mass-for-popes-birthday_16.html

[waggermama]

Hi, I am checking out my Great Grandma Letitia Anne I Balfe Bagenal and I believe John Henry was her father. He had two daughters, Letty and Ada Catherine, who married a Pentney. Do you have any details about John Henry and his wife, Letitia Fletcher. For example how he died?

My best, Maria

[LaLisa]

I know it is a long time after you posted but I have the answer to this question :-)
You may have found it already on ancestry.

But these Bagenalls were brought up in Sri Lanka (then Ceylon).
The two brother were lost at sea with Frances Creighton between Nova Scotia and England.
I am related to their sister Cornelia.

If you look on ancestry I have put all the info there.

Their father was John Doyle Bagenall born in Mullingar, Ireland in 1791. He lost an arm in Spain the Peninsular wars and married a woman from the Basque country Florentina Lecuana. I have recently found all her baptism information and ancestry. I am still searching for John's ancestry.
Both these brothers were born in France before they left for Ceylon.

Sadly both Florentina and John (the parents) died relatively young about 10 years after they arrived in Ceylon. They left about 10 children as orphans there. One of them Cornelia was my x3 great grandmother. She married a Templer and the family stayed in Ceylon for a further 3 generations. My grandfather came to england when he was 13 when his father died unexpectedly.
The detailed information is from the transcript of the grave of John Doyle Bagenall in Sri Lanka.

[J.J.]

Revising ...the wording in the grave marker must be a little jumbled, as John Doyle Bagenall appears to be one of the brothers, not the father of them all?  The use of brother/son/brother/son is certainly confusing as well!
O.k. I see now, that they were married September 30, 1814...So she was very young & having babies for 2 decades. Yes, I remember one of my father's uncles being younger than a nephew.

 a brother, perhaps?
Marriage Register of St Paul's Church, Pettah, Colombo (Ceylon) Sri Lanka from 1816
(Marriages St Paul’s Church Pettah Colombo)
George Henry [Bagnell] and Elizabeth Jones

It appears J.D.  & Florentina were in London for a bit...Did this son not survive either, then???
FHS entry: John Doyle Bagenall  Chr: 4 May 1830 St Martin in the Fields, Westminster, London, Eng.   Father John Doyle Bagenall  Mother Florentena

 There is also the 1834 Baptism St Paul’s Church Kandy Ceylon Sri Lanka of Wilson Thomas son of John Doyle Bagnall Esq Captain HM Ceylon Rifles and Florentina his wife ...
and his death reported (June?) 1836 At Colombo on the 2nd instant, Wilson Thomas, youngest son of Captain J D Bagenall, Ceylon Rifles, aged 2 years and 5 months.  https://www.kabristan.org.uk/
adding birth 1834: Wed 22 Jan: B: On the 7th instant, at Nuwera Ellia, the Lady of Captain J D Bagenall, Ceylon Rifles, of a son.

revised: Says youngest George was about 20 when he died...So he was born c. 1837 so she died from complications of childbirth. Tragic family story. What a tough life for Florentina.
.https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211693977/george-bagenall

[LaLisa]

Ahh thanks.

Yes I don't have Wilson. Thanks.

I did find out today though that that the name "Doyle" was probably because John was named after Sir John Doyle who was long time MP for Mullingar and set up the 87th Regiment not long after John Doyle senior was born in 1791. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/87th_(Royal_Irish_Fusiliers)_Regiment_of_Foot

I also found out that he had a younger brother who was in the same regiment and was wounded at Nivelle. He gained a medal for gallentary. He survived and retired to England (London).
He was called Robert Sedley Bagenall. He named one of his children Florentina.

Wondering if the father was also in the army.

Also some of John Bagenall seniors grandchildren have the name Beauchamp - Beauchamp Bagenall was also an Irish MP of some infamy. But again this might be a reference rather than a direct relation.

So no luck on John and Roberts Father yet.

[LaLisa]

And as for your point about a tough life - yes very!

Florentina lost a child the year after she lost her husband. And then died herself.

John Doyle Bagenall senior was 16 when he joined up and lost his arm at 18. Looking at my 16 year old son it really makes one think!

[J.J.]

We'd mentioned before that these might be related...could be brothers or cousins.
      Likely relatives 1817 87th Reg of foot ....ensign Robert Sedley Bagenall, Lt. John Doyle Bagenall  also a Lt. William Cathcart Bagnall ( born Dublin, also served in Canada)  listed 66th Reg of Foot 1813-1817  books.google.ca/books?id=dgUcAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA590&lpg=PA590&dq=Bagenall

 also the ceylon marriage I'd just posted.
George Henry [Bagnell] and Elizabeth Jones

Forgive me for not seeing your post right away, as I was revising & adding to my post rather than making several more.