Stevens, Orr, Rowat & Clazy

[heiserca]

I am seeking correct dates for birth or baptism of these people in my tree:
Robert Orr, born about 1744, at Langyard
Alexander Orr, born 1782, at Langyard
Agnes Stevens, born 1790, at Langyard
Sarah Rowat, born about 1866 at Kilmacolm
Robert Smith Clazy, born 1908 at Kilmacolm

Also the marriage date, in 1825, for Alexander Orr & Agnes Stevens, at Langyard

Robert Smith Clazy was the son of Rev. Robert Smith Clazy & Sarah Rowat, from Dunning.  The son was killed a week after D-Day in 1944, near Calvados, France, and is buried at Hermanville War Cemetery, but I have not found his birth date.

[Ann Baker]

Hi

I have checked all these out on Scotland's People and I can't find any of them that match with the dates nor places named (even using wildcards for names and widening date bands). There are possibles on Scotland's People for some of the names listed but not right place and/ or close in years. For example there is a Sarah Rowat born in 1866 in Abbey which having turned up the fact Robert Smith Clazy snr was born in Paisley very probably is the right one (Abbey parish includes the East and South part of Paisley). Kilmacolm  tho not that far from Paisley isn't Abbey parish and is completely in the other direction from Abbey and is a parish in its own right.


Sorry Heiserca but fraid not got the spare cash to spare credits to look further on Scotland's People for you. I can suggest the IGI but Renfrewshire records are patchy in my experience. If you have no joy there fraid a more intensive search on Scotland's People which is pay per view is needed but I think you need to recheck the info before you do to avoid buying dud records


Ann

[heiserca]

Thank you, Ann, for checking.  Even knowing that this information was wrong, is some progress.  Now just a matter of discovering the correct names and dates.  There is the even harder part.     

[weemary]

Have you tried ancestry there are a few people researching this family - one has Sarah spelt as Sara, and sarah/sara can  also be Sally......

Name:    Sarah Rowat
Birth:     16 Aug1866 - Dunoon, Argyllshire (Argyll)
Death:     2 Nov1943 - Edinburgh (Midlothian), Scotland
Marriage:     31 Oct 1905 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Parents:     Robert Rowat, Margaret Watson
Spouse:    Robert Smith Clazy

or


Name:    Sara Rowat
Birth:     1866 - Kilmalcolm, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Death:     1943 - Edinburgh (Midlothian), Scotland
Marriage:     31 Oct 1905 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Spouse:    Robert Smith Clazy


the other 2 trees are private

** edit** accordsing to the 1881 census sarah rowat was born in Dunoon

[heiserca]

Thank you, weemary, very helpful.  Robert Smith Clazy's birth in 1908 should have been easy  for me to find.  His father was Rev. Robert Smith Clazy, the minister at Dunning, who certainly kept careful records.  I am just trying to avoid pay sites, hope that someone might already have these dates.

[ampthillmark]

Hello Heiserca. I have only just found this forum so you may already have discovered that Sarah was indeed born in Dunoon at Clydesdale House at 8:30 am on the 16th Aug 1866 to Robert Rowat and Margaret Watson (I have a copy of the registration).
 She is my 1st cousin 3 x removed. I remember my grandmother telling of swinging Sarah's two sons around on her long plaits when they all lived in Creiff around 1911. I have posted a picture Of Sarah and her sons on my public Ancestry.com tree if you have access. Sadly The eldest son, George, committed suicide in his mothers house 31 Drummond Place, Edinburgh in 1929. The other son, Robert Smith, died in France in 1944 serving as a lieutenant in the Black Watch.

[heiserca]

Thank you, ampthillmark.  I had the date of Sarah Rowat's birth but not the place, which you now provided.

The only two children in their family were filled with such promise - their early deaths are indeed sad. 

George Clazy, the eldest, was best friends with Alan Taylor, better known as A.J.P. Taylor, the noted 20th century historian.  Taylor described George, when they first met, as "staggeringly beautiful!"  But George killed himself in 1929, after an attractive young woman rejected his marriage proposal. 

Robert Smith Clazy, the younger brother, was awarded the Military Cross for bravery while fighting in Libya and Egypt in 1943.  He was then sent to France, where he died less than a week after D-Day and is buried in the war cemetery at Hermanville-sur-Mer.

[ampthillmark]

Glad to help.

Thank you for the AJP Taylor anecdote. Very interesting and not in our family recollections, at least not the living generations.

And thank you also for the details of Robert Smith Clazy's wars service too.

Are you related to this family?

Mark

[heiserca]

George Clazy and Robert Smith Clazy were grandsons of Rev. George Clazy, the High Church minister at Paisley from about 1861-96.

My ancestor was George Clezie from Hutton, Berwickshire, a poor cousin of Rev. George Clazy, and he emigrated to Canada in 1832.

The Georges were descendants of George Claisye and Agnes Middlemist, who married at Coldstream in 1751.  So we are related, yes... but distantly.  Examples of how spelling differences evolve.

Rick