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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #153 on: Monday 09 January 12 12:56 GMT (UK) »
Further observations: Maggie you have done an excellent and informative job with those photos,but the archaeologist in me suggests that if you treat us to any more in the future, please take a yellow foot or 30 cm rule and incorporate it in the picture to define the size of the object accurately. Regarding the site itself, from the scale of the internal door jaumbes,( Lincolnshire via Yorkshire!) it suggests to me that the doorway was once an external doorway and became inside after an extension. Mason's put their marks on stonework as they were paid by the piece, these have probably been resited. The 1592 stone looks too new to me to be original, I suggest it might be a replacement stone. However, though the building does look 16th century my archaeology tutor always taught my class that without further confirmation, a date on a stone was simply that, it could have been carved at any time. Hope the southerners realise that in virtually every winter include mild ones like this there is snow in the north of England, and not always on high ground! Thanks Maggie for a magnificent and informative thread.
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #154 on: Monday 09 January 12 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Alpine - thanks so much for your considered and highly relevant observations as to why not all these ruins can be preserved and cared for, particularly in the present economic climate.  The rate at which stuff has been taken from the Barley site is remarkable - it was happening even before the media coverage, so in no time at all the site would be reduced to a minimum if simply left.  And to repeat what I said earlier (I think) it is one of many ruins scattered around the hillsides around here, all of which probably have an equally interesting tale to tell.  The only reason this one was singled out is that it is a requirement these days that before any work proposals, for example by United Utilities, can start any finds unearthed are subjected to an archaeology report and if deemed appropriate work stops until the site has been thoroughly excavated as in this case.

The good thing about our cottage is that as part of this work, literally everything has been documented, photographed and a full report will be produced.  Therefore even stuff that was subsequently stolen from the site has been recorded.
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #155 on: Monday 09 January 12 13:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi RR - you make a good point re: incorporating a rule.  My only excuse for not doing so is that we normally rely an our historian member to do bring his rule and he wasn't present.  I don't think it occured to the rest of us that this would have been a good idea.

I agree - those jambs look far too substantial to be internal.

Good point regarding the date stone and it does indeed look in remarkable condition for its supposed age.  Perhaps it has replaced an earlier one and the date is accurate - I should be able to find out more about the house as it is listed. 

Thanks for your kind words, RR - I have enjoyed sharing all this immensely.  I'm so pleased to have perhaps changed people's conception of Lancashire.  It so often gets a negative press. 

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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #156 on: Monday 09 January 12 13:50 GMT (UK) »
Goodness, I turn my back on this thread for half a day and it seems to have galloped through about ten pages!  Nice to see the additional photos, Maggie,
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #157 on: Monday 09 January 12 13:53 GMT (UK) »
No time to catch up this week Maggie,

How come I missed this one??


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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #158 on: Monday 09 January 12 13:59 GMT (UK) »
Here in Wales we are in a similar position in that there are literally hundreds of semi-collapsed dwellings/agricultural buildings in the landscape.  The majority of these are on agricultural land and therefore do have legal owners; other examples are on common land.  All of them are fascinating.  

There is a problem, though, with the restoration of a lot of them because of planning policies.    Generally local plans allow for new houses, barn conversions and renovations on the fringes of villages;  however,  in areas of outstanding natural beauty,  national parks etc, there are policies which aim to keep the areas unspoilt, and thus discourage renovations of isolated buildings.  As planning law stands at the moment, if one isolated ruin received planning permission for renovation/conversion, it would then be possible for someone to put in an application to build nextdoor to it, and before you  know it, the beauty of the landscape which attracted people in the first place would have become blighted by residential sprawl.  There is an area about 40 miles from where I live which is stunningly beautiful, but the local authority started allowing development in the open countryside,  and now large areas are blighted by rows and rows of modern rectangular bungalows.
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #159 on: Monday 09 January 12 14:15 GMT (UK) »
No time to catch up this week Maggie,

How come I missed this one??


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No worries Rabbit - it ain't going anywhere just yet  ;D

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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #160 on: Monday 09 January 12 14:21 GMT (UK) »
This is quite an interesting article on the theme I was trying to explore and it considers the point Greensleeves has introduced - reusing a ruin is the best way of protecting it - but that encourages changes in the surroundings which might not be best for the ruin - it's a dilemma!

http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/heritageruins/heritageruins.htm
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #161 on: Monday 09 January 12 14:24 GMT (UK) »
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however,  in areas of outstanding natural beauty,  national parks etc, there are policies which aim to keep the areas unspoilt, and thus discourage renovations of isolated buildings.  As planning law stands at the moment, if one isolated ruin received planning permission for renovation/conversion, it would then be possible for someone to put in an application to build nextdoor to it, and before you  know it, the beauty of the landscape which attracted people in the first place would have become blighted by residential sprawl. 


Exactly the same here, GS.  The whole of Bowland is an AONB.

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