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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #72 on: Sunday 08 January 12 11:50 GMT (UK) »
I see that St Chad is patron saint of medicinal springs.    Do you have springs in the area?  If so, that might imply that there were quite a lot of pilgrims coming to the area in medieval times, seeking cures.  And where there were pilgrims, there would be places available to offer them accommodation and sustenance.  Also, if there were Romans in the area, they regarded springs as sacred and it is not unusual to find Roman offerings at the site of springs.  You could have a little treasure trove there, just waiting to be discovered.  Pity you are not within driving distance for meetings or I would happily join your group!
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #73 on: Sunday 08 January 12 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Fascinating discussion. Like Dee I would be over there in a flash if I could. Please post more photos Maggie, if you are able to.
Bea-u-tiful farmhouse! It looks a bit unloved - do you know if there is anyone living there? If not, I am available for house-sitting, synpathetic restoration projects and general 'old house loving'.

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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #74 on: Sunday 08 January 12 13:13 GMT (UK) »
Here is another, Ruskie.  As you can see I was wrong with the date as it quite clearly says '1592'.  The house has recently been sold so I expect it will shortly become quite a des. res.  it is in a beautiful spot and quite near 'the font'.
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #75 on: Sunday 08 January 12 13:15 GMT (UK) »
I see that St Chad is patron saint of medicinal springs.    Do you have springs in the area?  If so, that might imply that there were quite a lot of pilgrims coming to the area in medieval times, seeking cures.  And where there were pilgrims, there would be places available to offer them accommodation and sustenance.  Also, if there were Romans in the area, they regarded springs as sacred and it is not unusual to find Roman offerings at the site of springs.  You could have a little treasure trove there, just waiting to be discovered.  Pity you are not within driving distance for meetings or I would happily join your group!

GS - the area is littered with springs  ;D
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #76 on: Sunday 08 January 12 13:22 GMT (UK) »
I'd give my eye teeth for a house with 1592 above the door,  ::) I hope the new owners do the right thing by this house and don't 'overdo' the resoration. (always a danger)

Are there initials carved around the date? Presumably the original owners? Maybe the house was a wedding present from a wealthy man to his son/daughter? (now my imagination is running away with me ...  ;))

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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #77 on: Sunday 08 January 12 13:44 GMT (UK) »
VERY good thinking and research GS ! 

A chapel of ease was often built some distance away from the mother church, for the use of the elderly and infirm, so they could get to it easily, assuming the main church was too far.   

Certainly here in S. Wales, many churches (like our own Old Church ... no dedication known ... and called 'Old' since a chapel of ease was built in the village by the Victorians ... now a holiday let  :-\ ) ... what was I saying ?   Oh yes, many old Welsh churches are built on the site of an old Welsh 'clas' church ... a simple place, maybe mud and wattle, near a spring, which was a base for several monastics who went out from there to visit the sick, take communion at Easter for the poulation, and so on.   Our Old Church is like this, most probably built on the site of a sixth century 'clas' church.     We also have another site down by the Wye, where there was once a chapel to St Denys ... now long gone, but the field it was probably in, is known at St Denys field. 


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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #78 on: Sunday 08 January 12 13:51 GMT (UK) »
You're not being boring Maggie - we are hanging on your every word, and desperate for more photos!  I think if distance permitted, we would all be on your doorstep in the morning, asking for a tour!

Couldn't agree more. Fascinating thread :D

Jan ;)
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #79 on: Sunday 08 January 12 14:02 GMT (UK) »
I've just found this amongst my files, name of farm is asterisked.  She is describing the famhouse in 1948 - I don't think it has changed much.  It is a listed building so renovations will be controlled.



Edited from JESSICA LOFTHOUSE ‘Three Rivers’ published 1948

There is a path along the lower edge of the trees to a farm equal age, ***********.
It is pleasantly situated, too, standing firmly at the foot of the hill, not far from the dwindling Sabden Brook, among good meadows and pastures.    It is well within the limits of the old Pendle Forest, and seeing the date, 1592, over the door we can imagine other callers in the wilder days, neighbours with wonderful and terrifying tales to tell.    Very few of the old houses around were free from active victimization by the women who claimed powers of witchcraft.    Bullhole, Greenhead, the Laund and Hoarstones are not far away—all connected with the witches.
*********** is the typical Elizabethan hall with its porch, where one can sit in cool shade, and wide windows with mar lights, the sun slanting through carved mullions on to the stone-flagged floor of the original house-place. One window has a few tiny diamond panes of old stained glass. From where Great oak beams and rafters span the room, shaped in days when the valley still had many woods. The original fireplace is there, though a Victorian grate and oven has been built into the open hearth.
In such a house families gathered (as Sir James Kay-Shuttle-worth described in his writings on superstition), grouped round such a fire, telling tales in keeping with wild nights, mid-winter storms.  He penned these words:-

"The solitude of life in the moorland farmhouses does not foster the influence of superstitious traditions so much as the wild stormy climate which holds its blustering reign through six months of every year in this region of morass and fog, dark clough and craggy chasm. Night shuts in early. . . . The great sycamores stagger in the blast which rushes from the distant sea. The wind moans through the night like a troubled spirit, shakes the house as though it demanded admittance for the storm, and rushes down the huge chimney (built two centuries ago for the log fires and large hot heap of wood ashes), driving down a cloud of smoke and soot as though by some wicked cantrip the witches careering in the storm would scatter the embers and fire the building."

The Sabden Valley has changed somewhat since Sir James wrote this, and liberal education and social intercourse ", the radio and local 'bus services have all helped the Pendle Forest folk to throw off the thraldom of superstition ". Many old farms stand derelict on the higher slopes, but in the dale are good meadows, and we saw them lit up by the sun and shining after rain.
There is nothing strange about *********** to-day. There are three small children, as bonny as any the house ever bred, whose voices and running steps sound through the house continually, and cheerful washing-day and baking-day bustle comes from the kitchen.
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #80 on: Sunday 08 January 12 14:09 GMT (UK) »
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VERY good thinking and research GS ! 


Agreed - as I have said, sound thinking.

There are quite a few of our churches that started as a chapel of ease and in the case of the one at Newchurch, the mother church was at Whalley, a difficult and quite lengthy journey to undertake.

Lydart - the Britich History online site you give a link for is very useful - I use it a lot.  To find Newchurch you have to input 'Goldshaw Booth'

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