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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #144 on: Monday 09 January 12 11:04 GMT (UK) »
I haven't seen the Simon Armitage programme either but I would love to if still possible.

Most Haunted is idiotic but good for a laugh occasionally when there is nothing else on the telly.  However a lot of folk do take this stuff for real and thus that Pendle programme would encourage an entirely false idea of the witch story in some people's minds.
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #145 on: Monday 09 January 12 11:06 GMT (UK) »
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Gosh, sorry all -I've probably offended the population of two counties in one small sentence

You haven't offended me, Ruskie ..... I have family roots on both sides of the Pennines  ;D
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #146 on: Monday 09 January 12 11:24 GMT (UK) »
Now ....... pay attention  ;D

This photo is a close-up of one already posted showing the front elevation of the cottage.  Hopefully you can see that a lot of the stones are darker with a blueish tinge, and shiny.  They look 'wetter', although it was a wet day so they were ALL wet to a degree.

These are worked boulder stone, also known as 'mud stone' and will have come from a river.  This is a form of sandstone but slightly different in appearance from quarried sandstone that looks porous and is of a lighter colour.  There is a fast flowing river at Barley so it's likely that the majority of the building material came from that source, the rest would come from sandstone quarries scattered on nearby hillsides.  The door jambs are different again - still sandstone but you can see they have a pink hue.  We are just talking about the exterior walls here - OH and I haven't got round to studying the composition of the interior walls yet.

Therefore it's likely that whoever built the elevational walls used a very handy local source of stone.  The internal door jambs however appear to have come from a different source.
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #147 on: Monday 09 January 12 11:26 GMT (UK) »

Geology 101.... thanks for the info Prof Maggie... ;D


Seriously though, great stuff.
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #148 on: Monday 09 January 12 11:28 GMT (UK) »



Brilliant thread, Maggie, love the pics.

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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #149 on: Monday 09 January 12 11:30 GMT (UK) »
Maggie should have her own tv series ;D ;D ;D

Seriously though, how much are uu going to get if they sell off all the materials here?

Another piece of history to disappear :(

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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #150 on: Monday 09 January 12 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Karen and Barbara.

More musings.......................... regarding those door jambs - they have mason's marks.  Would a stone mason permit his beautiful 'signed' stone to be badly aligned, ie. the jointing left and right doesn't match up?  I think it is more likely these jambs were imported into the building during one of its 'renovation' phases.

Maggie, pausing for breath and a cup of coffee  :)
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #151 on: Monday 09 January 12 12:34 GMT (UK) »
I've been following this interesting thread and considering some of the points that have been raised.

Last summer, I was involved in excavating a similar ruin, that of an old coach house and stables, same sort of age and condition but covering a larger area, though the remaining standing walls were not quite so tall.  These stables belong to the National Trust and the question has been; what to do with the ruins now they're uncovered.  The problems with preserving ruins like these (both the cottage and the stables) are numerous.  It costs quite a lot of money to stabilise and protect walls which have no roof over, left in the British weather the interior plaster will soon drop off and the mortar will soon crumble from freeze-thaw.  The site is open to vandalism and pilfering which could leave the ruins in a dangerous condition for other visitors.  In the particular case of the cottage, there is the nuisance problem which may affect the local villagers from the "occultists".  Is there any point in saving ruins like these? - casual visitors can't interpret them and it costs money to design, erect and maintain interpretation boards yet  the ruins won't generate any money from entrance fees etc.  The cottage ruins would have remained covered if the water company had not wanted to do the flood prevention works - at least now they have been revealed and recorded and the materials can be partly reused in the form of walling etc.  which will continue the tradition of reuse and recycling of the stones that seems to have been going on for 4 or 500 years at least.  Obviously I'm not suggesting that our old building heritage should be ignored or lost, but there comes a point when the costs of preservation outweigh the benefits..... :-\

As regards the stables, the Nat Trust has covered them over to protect them while the great and the good ponder what to do next......
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Re: Update on the ruined cottage at Barley
« Reply #152 on: Monday 09 January 12 12:37 GMT (UK) »
Though I believe it has other names worldwide. I berlieve an "overhouse" is living accomodation for people situated over a stable or cow shed etc. The heat from the animals rising helps keep the accomodation warmer in winter, and no doubt adds to the flies in summer. :)
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