John Hathaway

[dale_j]

Charlotte was my 4 x Great Grandmother but until now I have been unable to trace her lineage as she died in 1846 so no POB was ever given on census. I see that a few public trees on Ancestry name her parents as George MILLER & Sarah HAINS. Is that what you have?

Her brother William was my 4 x great grandfather. 

Dale

[Correction: he was my great x 3 grandfather, as his grand-daughter Louisa was my great-grandmother. It would help if people had been more imaginative naming babies. This family is littered with William(s), George(s) and Richard(s). And Esther/Hester. "Charlotte" was a nice change. ]

[Expansion: William and Charlotte's grandfather, a Richard MILLER alias MILLARD, had married an Elizabeth SHAKESPEAR [sic], both from Newington Bagpath parish. The Shakespear family went quite a long way back in the parish, as stonemasons and parish clerks; prior to the early 18th century the MILLERS seem to have been MILLARD of Boxwell parish, across the creek. ]

[KittoFitz]

Just to continue with some family information......I have been in contact with a newly-found relative of the Compton family and she has written ...

"Grandma Compton's mother was (I was told) the daughter of the Hathaway owner of Ozleworth Park near Wotton Edge, Glos. and she eloped with D.Essex a tenant farmer of the estate and was disowned."

Perhaps this is the answer to the query from Sandra dated Wednesday 11 January 2012 ?

[dale_j]

Just to clarify a a couple of points:

• Charlotte HATHAWAY nee MILLER had a brother, 2 years or so younger - William. Their parents Richard MILLER and Hester PARSLOWE got around to marrying in between them. It was that sort of parish.
• The brother owned Ozleworth Park in their lifetimes - he inherited from his uncle
• Two of Charlotte's daughters married an ESSEX each, David and Mark (in order, uncle and nephew), respectively Charlotte and Caroline.
• Charlotte (mother in this picture) inherited a certain amount from her uncle and mother, and elsewhere. But not in the Will of her brother; a messy divorce situation of his made it all problematical. Technically his entire family was illegitimate. What property etc passed between them when both were alive is obviously unrecorded.
• Meanwhile, their (Charlotte and William MILLER)'s mother, Hester nee PARSLOWE, remarried fairly quicky following the demise of their father Richard MILLER - to a John MORSE.
• Hester and John had a couple of sons, John and Thomas. Thomas in turn had three daughters (known, any other offspring unknown), Sarah, Harriet and Margaret MORSE.
• Aforesaid Sarah MORSE married a son of Charlotte and John HATHAWAY, another John; the latter is the man who turned up at Duntisbourne Abbotts (spelling?)
• In a couple of census returns Sarah HATHAWAY nee MORSE's two sisters turn up, presumably as visitors, and as being "of independent means"; possibly because their father Thomas's estate yielded a bit; he occupied (don't know about "owned" outright) Newington Farm - still exists, I gather, somewhat gentrified.
• Charlotte HATHAWAY nee MILLER and John HATHAWAY had a son who held a commission in the Army; he has a memorial in Ozleworth (St Nicholas) churchyard - Edwin HATHAWAY.
• The water is murkier; John HATHAWAY husband of Charlotte was a son of Thomas HATHAWAY and Margaret; Margaret had been a Margaret MORSE. Her father William MORSE was the grandfather of the Thomas MORSE mentioned above, and hence John HATHAWAY junior and Sarah MORSE were distantly related. It's a small parish, too. :-)

Er... well I hope that's clarified something. I would love to know more about what your "newly-found relative of the Compton family" might have been told in the distant past; the most obscure-looking detail can shed light on otherwise baffling mysteries - and with our lot there are a few of them.

cheers
Dale (descendant of William)
Queensland

[Victor Harvey]

Sticking to the St John the Baptist, Kingscote theme I have now checked the 1813-1850 HATHAWAY burials and list them below:-
22/03/1815, HATHAWAY, Henry, 2w
21/12/1828, HATHAWAY, Margaret, 69
28/11/1829, HATHAWAY, Charlotte, 24
19/06/1830, HATHAWAY, James, 38
10/08/1831, HATHAWAY, Thomas, 73
07/07/1838, HATHAWAY, John, 55
10/04/1841, HATHAWAY, Harriett, 61
25/07/1846, HATHAWAY, Charlotte, 66
Hope that helps?
Victor

[KittoFitz]

Thank you for all the updates - I shall have to sit and study it !  Thanks for the hard work.

[Victor Harvey]

Source: Glos Archives (GA) PFC 191 IN 1/4 1, Entry No 2, Kingscote, Marriages:-
Barnaby PENDLEY of the parish of Nympsfield and Mary Ann HATHAWAY of this parish were married in the Church by Licence the 20th day of January 1802.
Signed Barnaby PENDLEY & Mary Ann HATHAWAY in the presence of Harriet HATHAWAY & John HATHAWAY
Source: Glos Archives (GA) PFC 191 IN 1/3 1, Kingscote, Baptisms:-
Children of Thomas & Margaret HATHAWAY:-
09/05/1784, William HATHAWAY
05/09/1786, Thomas HATHAWAY
28/05/1788, Richard HATHAWAY
02/05/1790, Richard HATHAWAY
10/07/1791, James HATHAWAY
Children of William & Sarah HATHAWAY:-
06/06/1784, Thomas HATHAWAY
08/01/1786, Betty HATHAWAY
22/06/1788, Mary HATHAWAY
Victor 

[dale_j]

Thank you Victor - all grist for the mill. 

[dale_j]

Victor...

Could I impose upon you for a moment, or several; or even quite a few: it would help reconstructions if I knew who was buried etc as follows:

• MORSE in Newington-Bagpath, Kingscote or Boxwell/Leighterton between say 1770 and 1850;
• MILLER or MILLARD from 1740 _backwards_ in Boxwell/Leighterton - esp. "Pansford" or similar;
• SHAKESPEAR in Newington-Bagpath or nearby Tresham in Hawkesbury parish, if it had its own cemetery, from 1700 on to say 1850 when they sort-of disappear (census);
• HATHAWAY you've covered, but are there HATHAWAY records for Ozleworth - St Nicholas of Myra? Via the MILLER/MILLARD connection there should be one or more there.

We'll quietly skip HOLBOROW as they are legion. All these families are inter-connected in what I've been able to discover so far (as a descendant of the MILLERs of Ozleworth Park), but as they all had a depressingly limited repertoire of christian names it's very confusing. I've tried baptisms and marriages; time to try burials.

Thanks, hopefully in advance
Dale
In somewhat damp Queensland