Western Australia - George CHURCH - Ernestina CHURCH

[debrao]

Cando thanks for your post.

However there is a mystery. Elizabeth Ernestina Church lived in QLD and married twice (Arthur Taylor and Robert Urquhart) and died in Townsville in 1950.  Her death record states her father was George Church and mother Elizabeth Meyer. (I note that Mary Elizabeth Meyer married Alan Barr in 1900 and lived in Townsville). (See attached)

The Ernestina Church of my family's father was also George Church and according to her marriage certificate her mother was Mary Jane Elizabeth Meyer (although this name appears to have been written by a different hand to the other writing on the certificate) married Daniel Rule in Kalgoorlie in 1898 and died in Northam in 1919. (See attached)

These two individuals are clearly not one and the same and yet appear to have the same parents. It leaves me with a lingering uncertainty that Ernestina Church Rule of WA is the daughter of George Church and Mary Elizabeth Meyers. 

In relation to the criminal record of George Church, which one are you referring to, George William b 1850 in Adelaide?  I did come across a number of records attributatable to either George or George William at various times but at the time didn't think they were relevant.  If you have any references to hand I'd be grateful for them.

Thanks

[debrao]

Attachments were too large.  Will post them separately.

[debrao]

I can't attach the Church/Moore and Church/Rule marriage certificates as even if zipped and sent separately they exceed 500KB.

[debrao]

Church marriage certificates reduced size.

[sparrett]

 (although this name appears to have been written by a different hand to the other writing on the certificate)

I do not agree with you there.

Sue

[itcoz]

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[mpm]

Ernestine Reiman Beer Meyer was the mother of Mary Elizabeth who married George Church. They had  11 children and then I 'lost'George Church. Mary Elizabeth (Lizzie) then married Arthur Rickard on 23 Jan 1895 in Fitzroy and stated she was a widow. She then married Alan Barr on 11 Jan 1900 in Qld, She died on 14 Feb 1926 in Paddington NSW. She had a dau Elizabeth called Lilly who married Robert Urquhart and also a dau called Ernestina born 1880 in Warragul. I picked up your thread when I just joined Rootschat. I believe your Ernestina is the one born in Warragul. Another dau Ellen Ethel married a Grant and died in Hurstville NSW in 1958. She married on 27 Dec 1900 in Rockhampton. Son Isaac married Catherine Redd4n in Qld on 27 May 1910. Son Leo died in Richmond Vic aged one. I don't have details on any of the other boys. Lizzie had a son with Alan Barr called Alan born in 1905. Hope this helps.

[itcoz]

Mary Elizabeth and George William Church were my great grandparents and I've managed to gather a fair amount of info about their branch of my family tree. However I haven't come across Arthur Rickard to date and would appreciate any further info or certificates. I'd be happy to provide related info I have or answer any Q's - e.g.
George sailed to WA in 1893 one year after the infant death of Leo Harold. He remarried and died in 1937.
His 16 year old daughter Ernestina followed him to WA in 1896, married and started her own dynasty.
Thanks

[mpm]

The marriage to Arthur Rickard is marriage cert #1209 Vic indexe. On the certificate Mary Elizabeth went by the name Lizzie and stated she was a widow with 3 living and 2 deceased children - a long way from the 11 she actually had. When she died her death certificate #002132 NSW was completed by her son Samuel Trangot Church. He listed the children as Lilly aged 52 (This was Elizabeth who had a tragic early life), Isaac aged 50, Annie S (who led a very interesting life) aged 48, Ellen aged 42 and Samuel aged 36. Three males and one female deceased. This only adds to 9 children. Also, the second marriage has been left out altogether. I am very happy to share info however I haven't mastered the art of adding attachments to my messages and I don't have a scanner. Since the first post I have discovered that Samuel Trangot was living in Townsville in 1953 with his 2nd wife Dulcie, George W died in WW1, Allan Barr, step-brother was married in Mayfield NSW in 1930 to Edna Miller and Isaac & his wife Kate Redden had two daughters in Queensland by 1912. This leaves George Jacob, born 1872 and William James 1879 as the two that were most likely missed by Samuel when he completed the death certificate information.
I have no idea why George and Mary Eliz separated, haven't found out what happened to Mr Rickard however Allan Barr went to prison for 3 years in 1911 for shooting Mary Elizabeth in Townsville. The reports of this sorry saga are on Trove newspaper indexes. Anna Sabine or Hannah Sabina Lowe or Stagg as she was sometimes known is also in Trove for running a brothel in Townsville. My husband is descended from Wilhelm and Ernestine. Let me know if I can be of further help. How many children did Daniel and Ernestine have?