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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 January 12 04:12 GMT (UK) »
Hello again!  Hmmm, June 1873 leaving Australia with family....that's why I couldn't find him in 1871 England census!  Great find!  Thanks!   ;D  Pat
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL

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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 January 12 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Hello all!  I think I have partially solved the mystery!  The daughter, Jessie, married  William James Fairless who was born in Southwick, County Durham; they apparently had at least one child who was born in Victoria (Francis Howie Fairless b. abt 1894) and then THEY returned to Sunderland to have more children. And, in fact, ELiza (nee: Clunes) was living with them in 1901 as a widow and died in 1906.....  So, I guess the only other question I have is Eliza Clunes herself who was Born in 1830 in Chile....can anyone tell me why she would have been born in Chile?   ???  Again, thanks for all the sterling help!  Happy new year!  Pat
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL

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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 January 12 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,

Do you have their marriage certificate, it should tell you her parents names and their place of birth, occupation etc. You can buy and download an image online. around $18 AU, then we should be able to trace her parents.

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home

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Balcombe, Sussex. Warnes, Norfolk and Australia. Hansen, Denmark and Canada. Williams, Canada. Warnock, Forsythe, Joyce, Sayers, in Ireland.

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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 01 January 12 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Hello mum mum, thanks for the suggestion...before I spend that $$ on a possible collateral line, is there any OZ census available that would show the couple around 1894 or so??    Pat
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL


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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 01 January 12 22:16 GMT (UK) »
No census, our electoral roll starts 1903 in Victoria, in NSW they aren't available till 1930.
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The birth, Francis H Fairless, Stockton NSW 1894.
Eliza's death? Eliza S Howe, father William, mother Rebecca S, at Balmain North in 1906.
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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 01 January 12 22:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi mum mum, Thanks for the bad news on the censuses..... :'(   A friend of mine who has Ancestry just told me that the Fairless - Clune marriage is in Newtown, NSW in 1893...... Looks like I have to move some of my looking into NSW!!!!  Thanks again for your help!    Pat
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL

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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #15 on: Monday 02 January 12 02:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi mum mum, Thanks for the bad news on the censuses..... :'(   A friend of mine who has Ancestry just told me that the Fairless - Clune marriage is in Newtown, NSW in 1893...... Looks like I have to move some of my looking into NSW!!!!  Thanks again for your help!    Pat

I assume you mean FAIRLESS/HOWIE marriage :)

New South Wales bdm's are online

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births

Marriage
5414/1893    
FAIRLESS William J
HOWIE  Jessie
District Newtown

There are a couple of possibilities for Mrs FAIRLESS arriving in England, however one has nationality English and the other not recorded.  I can't see them arriving together.   

A few snippets re Francis.
         
HOWIE Francis.
Missing friends 31 May 1853
'Argus' missing friends index 1851-1853   Compiler Marion Button
Comment: re William Fyfe

HOWIE Francis.
Missing friends  2 Jun 1853
'Argus' missing friends index 1851-1853   Marion Button
Comment: re William Fyfe

HOWIE Francis.
Gazetted 13 Aug 1867  Victorian Government Gazette  Page#1481
Woodnaggerak  Victoria
Allotments Forfeited Non-payment of Rent

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

1860 Francis HOWIE of Armstrong Street, Ballarat – shareholder of co to be registered
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7d/

Dissolution of farming partnership 1861
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7a/

Sale of farming equipment 1861
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7e/

Supporting local MP 1864
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7b/

Francis HOWIE listed as shareholder of Essex Co – notice is self explanatory
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7c/

Many more similar notices on TROVE.

Perhaps Francis was one of the many thousands who invested in speculative gold mining companies and lost their investments.

Cheers  :)
Cando

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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #16 on: Monday 02 January 12 03:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello cando, Thanks for the additional information; it certainly helps pinpoint his arrival in Australia and his efforts to earn a living.  ;D Also, thanks for the bmd link; I know it will be helpful as I learn more about this family.  Happy new year to you and yours!  Pat
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL

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Re: Francis Howie & Eliza Clunes m 1862 Victoria
« Reply #17 on: Monday 02 January 12 03:27 GMT (UK) »
Pat there is a Resources Board for Aus at the top of the page....you may find some of the links helpful :)

Cheers
Cando
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