Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up *Complete*

[okrobie]

This looks like a likely prospect. But I can't find her in any census. Ralph is a recurring name.

Elizabeth Hope
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:   18 Aug 1798   
christening:   09 Sep 1798   AUCKLAND SAINT HELEN,​DURHAM,​ENGLAND
residence:   1798   Durham,​ England
parents:   Ralph Hope,​ Jane Brownbridge

[Wiggy]

well she would be over 40 by the time of the first census - so it is possibly she'd died by then - interesting that her father and her son in law were both Ralph!    (Just interesting that's all - nothing else! - unless they all lived in the same village and there were family ties.)


No that can't be right - she'd only be 9 at the time of Mary's birth!!   well possible but highly unlikely I'd say.

 Elizabeth must have been born around 1890 or earlier more likely.    Doesn't it get confusing trying to keep all the dates in your head!         

Which means Elizabeth Simpson would have been about 50 + at the 1841 census -  (depending on whether Elisabeth was the first child or not.)   and could well have died by then.



Wiggy

[okrobie]

You're right that would be too young. Yes, I have dates spinning in my head when I try to go to sleep (It's 12:12AM here now)

Here they are in the 1841 census

1841 Census, Auckland District
Family Number: 22683.4
West Auckland 1841, Etherley (HO 107/307/3/folio 53)
Richard Simpson, 50, Coal Miner, Y
Elizabeth Simpson, 60, Y
Ann Simpson, 15, Y

There is a Richard from St Andrew that was born in 1791 but the only other Elizabeth was born in 1779.  That would put Richard at 16 and Elizabeth at 28 at the time of Mary's birth. Hmmm...  Plausible I guess 

OK I'm betting that Richard and Elizabeth are Ann's parents, but I wish I were sure. I'd like to put this one to bed. (and me too)

[Wiggy]

Well that's a different lot from the family I found for the 1841 census.   

(I found Ralph and Mary!!)   

- Elizabeth would have been 44 when Ann was born - Mary, born to Elizabeth at 28, is much more likely.        Are there more children in between - have you been able to establish that?? 

I know the feeling of going to bed with dates swimming round your head  - been there -done that!!   

All part of the fun!!

Wiggy   

[Wiggy]

Jim -   

 found this on Family Search which is an extracted entry (good)  Is this what you found??
 
 Elizabeth HOPE, 28 Feb 1779, daughter of William HOPE at Escomb - (and that fits where Elizabeth, who married Richard Simpson,  came from. )

There seem to be two brothers in that family,
William born 14 Jul 1776,
 John born  22 April 1781
- all from Escomb and all with only William named on the record .  Can't see any other children around within 10 years on either side of Elizabeth.

I notice that Mary Simpson called her first child William - if we are onto the right family, and it does seem likely!

I like this one - she's born in the right parish!!     

Wiggy     

[Wiggy]

There is a birth record on FindMyPast for

Ann Simpson born 3 Apr 1825 to Richard and Elizabeth SIMPSON Auckland St Helen - looks pretty good doesn't it.

There are two other children listed to Richard and Elizabeth SIMPSON at Auckland St Helens.  (both FindMyPast)

Christopher 14 Apr 1816

Elizabeth     13 May 1821

Also found a marriage for Richard and Elizabeth at Auckland St Andrews 11 May 1805.  (FS)

Wiggy                 (Right - my head is spinning now!      )

[Wiggy]

Just thinking (and this is pure supposition so don't  take it too seriously)

 - was watching Who Do You Think You Are  - - - - and they were saying how if there is a big gap between children, sometimes it means there has been VD in the family, and the children keep miscarrying - I don't know if that could possibly explain the distance between Mary 1807 and the next child in 1816.


What do you think about that??    I wonder if it could also explain the name of the first child baptised after the long wait.        All supposition of course - just thinking aloud!

Wiggy

[okrobie]

Hi Wiggy, I hope the jam got done

The weren't entirely barren during the gap. I found two more girls on FamilySearch.

Hannah Simpson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:   15 Oct 1809   
christening:   21 Jan 1810   ESCOMB,​DURHAM,​ENGLAND
residence:   1809   Durham,​ England
parents:   Richard Simpson,​ Elizabeth Hope
   
Barbara Simpson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:   11 Jul 1812   
christening:   25 Dec 1812   AUCKLAND SAINT HELEN,​DURHAM,​ENGLAND
residence:   1812   Durham,​ England
parents:   Richard Simpson,​ Elizabeth Hope

[WolfieSmith]

In 1851 census, Ralph and Mary have a niece, Jane Mundell, aged 4, living with them.
HO107/2385/33/24

Familysearch has a baptism, 2 August 1846, Auckland St. Andrew. Jane Mundell, daughter of John and Barbara Mundell.

And a marriage, 27 May 1835,  Auckland St. Andrew. John Mundale and Barbara Simpson.

Alan.