anne mcleod

[Gadget]

Hi Don 

The surname still occurs in the area

There aren't any in Coigach any more though (local phone book)and I think I know all the locals there. Also, Badentarbet was cleared (according to the Cromartie Papers*) because the 'lady' didn't like the fact that the tenants could see them from their houses so they were all moved to Tanera.


gnu

*A good source is Cromartie: Highland life 1650-1914 by Eric Richards and Monica Clough. Aberdeen University Press, 1989

[don_niagara]

Hi Don 

The surname still occurs in the area

There aren't any in Coigach any more though (local phone book)and I think I know all the locals there.

Acckkk, I get used to thinking in the 19th century, yes today Coigach refers to the area "beyond the Big Rock", but anciently it included all down to the border of Lechmelm, including Ullapool, where Joan Michael is.

I know Wikipedia should not be used as a primary source, but I contributed the edit there, and so mostly quoting myself it reads;

Coigach (Scottish Gaelic: A' Chòigeach) today refers to the peninsula "beyond the big rock" north of Ullapool, in Wester Ross in the Northwest Highlands of Scotland. Anciently till changes in civil registration districts in 1857[1] the Barony also included Isle Martin, the lands down to Corrie beyond Ullapool, the various farms of Strathkanaird, and eastward including the Forest of Achall and Rhiddorach.

you also wrote;

Also, Badentarbet was cleared (according to the Cromartie Papers*) because the 'lady' didn't like
the fact that the tenants could see them from their houses so they were all moved to Tanera.

They may have temporarly been moved as a group to Tanera, but by 1851 here is disposition of the familys;

41-1 MacKenzies to Dornie
41-2 Morrisons to Achnahaird
41-3 80 year old Mary MacKenzie probably died, 40 year old Katherine MacLeod to unknown
41-4 Salmon fishers, transient
41-5 MacLeans, only family that remained
41-6 Mackenzie/Campbell to Tanera
41-7 MacLeans to Achnahaird
41-8 McRaes to Faochaig and Altandhu
41-9 McKenzie to Polbain
41-10 Campbell to Dornie
41-11 McLeod stayed at Badentarbat, unkown after 1851
41-12 McKenzie cannot trace, perhaps returned to Coast of Gruinard
41-13 McKenzie cannot trace
41-14 Macdonald to Polbain

All the best,

Donald.

[Gadget]

Hi again

Coigach was very dreich yesterday!

The ref that I gave (Richards and Clough) has a very good account of the area, the Cromartie estates, the growth of Ullapool and the somewhat spendthriftness of the later McKenzies!

There are also other published and unpublished  accounts  but  I don't want to get into a prolonged discussion about  Coigach as this doesn't answer Chris's original query. However, an understanding of the area and the various townships is necessary for understanding the Coigach families and their interrelationships, and I would recommend this approach to Chris.

Getting back to the OP's query. A summary of my findings about  Anne Murray, nee Mcleod's lines so far :

Father - John Mcleod, a tenant/tailor, born circa 1799, Achnahaird
His Parents - Kenneth Mcleod, weaver and Kett/Kate McKenzie

Mother - Ann (Mc)Michael born circa 1809, Assynt
Her Parents - John Michael, shepherd and Janet Ross

(Added - and the marriage/banns OPR record of John and Anne's marriage in 1828, found by Don_Niagara)

Getting back any further will be difficult because the Lochbroom PRs are only extant from the 1790s or so and other documents would have to be consulted  (a Fraser descendant has done a fair amount at NAS but I don't think that this family is covered).

From the evidence that I looked at yesterday, much of  the family seem to have moved away after John's death. I'll have to look at my mapping of the Polglass crofts  to work out where exactly they lived but I'm not sure that I have the files here. (I did a detailed study of this township a few years ago)

Re the Badentarbet clearance - as I said, the original families who lived along the old peat road, were cleared because they overlooked Badentarbet House. Something which is still referred to by many locals.

Best wishes for Christmas and the New  Year.


gnu

[Gadget]

 

There is a submitted record on the IGI which has the following baptism details:

3 March 1808 Assynt, Sutherland
Ann lawful daughter of John Mitchel and Jannet Ross 

This is also listed on the Scotlands People site so is correct.

John listed as a shepherd in Tubeg(?) - not found around Sionascaig, Wester Ross - which would come under Lochbroom    -  so far so will have to get the old maps out





gnu

[don_niagara]

There is a submitted record on the IGI which has the following baptism details:

3 March 1808 Assynt, Sutherland
John Mitchel and Jannet Ross 

This is also listed on the Scotlands People site so is correct.

John listed as a shepherd in Tubeg(?) - not found around Sionascaig, Wester Ross - which would come under Lochbroom    -  so far so will have to get the old maps out

Great stuff!

I had been also trolling the I.G.I., they are good at indexing including variants such as "Michael", and "McMichael", but had missed "Mitchel"

Same register includes;

Jannet Michael, c.29 Feb 1816
John Michael, c.04 Aug 1819
Chirsty Mac Michael, b.16 Mar 1826, c.30 Mar 1826

1811 Assynt census survives, Malcolm Bangor-Jones transcribed it, has three familys at Tubeg, third has Head of Household at Tubeg as John Michael, one male and four females in the Household.

Tubeg is on the south shore of Loch Assynt.

All the best,

Donald.

[Gadget]

 

Just found Easter Tubeg on a modern-ish map in the rough area indicated here:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ir6/

Now that is remote - I've walked those hills in my younger days.

You talked of the land beyond the Big Rock  - Ben More Coigach - here it is from beyond it. I've been up that many times too!


gnu

[don_niagara]

Lovely countryside, thanks Gnu for sending that! Chris certainly has chosen lovely countryside for ancestor hunting!

Looking at the 1775 farm maps of Coigach I see the farm of Sionascaig was around the eastern end of the Loch of the same name, about 14 kilometers south west of Tubeg as the corbie flies. Cannot see any buildings marked on the 3870 acres so not sure where exactly the Michael family home was, likely where a stream entered the loch though.

All the best,

Donald.

[Gadget]

It would be a longish hike from Tobeg to Sionascaig and they'd probably have to climb the beallach over Suilven to get there 

I've been on Sionascaig a few times - friend a fisherman - there are quite a few ruins and bothys still around there. I'm think of one that is really close to the western side of Cul More that our friend from Achnahaird reckons was where his ancestors were - so maybe they are related way back.

The old ruin is indicated on this map:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ir8/

(also one to the SE)

I've got  photos of it somewhere but they were taken pre-digital so where they are I do not know!


gnu

Added - another worthwhiile link which I overlooked earlier:

http://coigachlines.wordpress.com/about/

[don_niagara]

It would be a longish hike from Tobeg to Sionascaig and they'd probably have to climb the beallach over Suilven to get there 

Fit people those Michael shepherds! If ever I am in a bar fight in Ullapool I must remember to check first there are none present!

By 1828 Ann was at Sionascaig, presumably with her parents and siblings, her sister Chirsty has birth and christening 1826 in Assynt Parish, I have not seen the page, but if it shows the family then at Tubeg then it nails down their move to a 22 month period.

Donald.