birth look up please

[avm228]

Possible birth:

Birth, Sep qtr 1873

James T R BASELY

Shoreditch 1c 92

and then I think he may be the 17 yr old Shoreditch-born James BASILEY who is a domestic footman in Paddington in 1891.

Dad seems to be a Daventry-born James  b abt 1834-6; - family in Stansted Mountfitchet, Essex in 1881 when James snr was a carman, but by 1901 he is a beer seller at the Cock Inn, Manuden - fitting with the occupation of licensed victualler as per the 1904 marriage certificate of James jnr.

[lambroofer]

thank you, with you help ive managed to work out that james baseley senior was born 1834 in daventry and james baseley junior also in northants in 1874. In 1881 they are all in the parish of essex which is where i know james senior owned a pub. I know that james junior was in kensington by 1901 working as a butler so the occupation and year and place of birth on the 1901 link you gave me match thank you!

now to find a marriage for James Baseley senior?!!! and any other children they had apart from james.
xxx

thanks so much again x

just noticed your reply, james junior was james richard thomas baseley so maybe that is him, ahhh! i thought i had it all worked out!!

[avm228]

The 1881 census which you have (in Essex) shows all the children as born in London- James Thomas aged 8, Maria aged 5 and William aged 8 months.

Possible baptism and birth registration for Maria:

4 Oct 1876, St John, Hoxton

Mary Maria, born 2 July 1876, dau of James (blacksmith) and Mary Ann BASELEY, of 7 Forston St.

Birth, Sep qtr 1876: Mary Maria BASELEY, Shoreditch 1c 86.

[avm228]

just noticed your reply, james junior was james richard thomas baseley so maybe that is him, ahhh! i thought i had it all worked out!!

It looks as though you have the right people - the only confusing thing is the 1901 census stating that James jnr was born in Northants which he seems not to have been.  He was one of several servants in the 1901 household (which included his future wife Isabel Shute as a cook) so mistakes could happen - the householder, a widow in her 70s, may not have been too clued up about where her servants had been born.  Perhaps the misunderstanding arose because somehow it was known or heard that James' father was originally from Daventry and somebody got their wires crossed.

[lambroofer]

I think you must be right avm as the previous information about his father owning the cock inn in manuden is right and also he married isabel so it must be the right people but as you say incorrectly listed as daventry. phew! great i have taken the next step, thank you

also mary maria sounds like a likely sibling but james is listed as blacksmith, if that is him he had many occupations!! anything on a marriage and maiden name for wife for james senior? thank you
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[seahall]

HI All.

lambroofer do you think that your James was born in the
Daventry Registration District as this man might fit the bill.

http://ukbmd.co.uk/genuki/reg/districts/daventry.html

Baptism at Norton P.C. of James Baseley to William (labourer) and
Ann on 16 Nov 1834

Sandy

[seahall]

On the 1891 the place of birth is given as Norton for James.

On the marriage at St Leonards Shoreditch after Banns

Pg 132. No. 264, 15th September 1872
James Baseley, 35, Bachelor, Blacksmith, father William, Gardener to
Mary Ann Banks, 22, Spinster, House maid, father James, Labourer

Both signed their names legibly.

Sandy

[lambroofer]

thank you sandy that looks like just the right info many thanks
xx