Decipher name of town in Angusshire

[Gali]

What else do you know about them?

Are you aware of their middle names? his profession? children's first and middle names?

Give us a few extra clues if you have them and you never know 

[Forfarian]

Yes I agree but if Clyth is Alyth,given that this is a shipping document Casey could well be a misinterpretation of Eassie. Like the N East, Angus has it's own accent.

I think we are all singing off the same carol sheet

[LibHastings]

Thank you all for your submissions. It's a tricky one I know; that's why I asked such a helpful and knowledgeable list!

No middles names that I have confirmed but Margaret's middle name may have been Jessie (or maybe a nickname?). As I said, her maiden name may have been NICHOL, as later on there was a granddaughter with Nichol as a middle name. The daughter born on the voyage was Elizabeth (born April 1837).

The shipping records say John and Margaret sailed from Dundee on 25 March 1837 and arrived in Port Jackson (NSW) on 13 July 1837. John's occupation was a Mason.

On the Friends of Dundee City Archives  - 1831-32 Dundee Sassines records http://www.fdca.org.uk/FDCABurghRecords1.html lists:
Gellately John;  Mason, Hawkhill, Dundee.  Wallace Craigie;  south side Crescent Lane; Sassine No 350.

What is/are the Sassines 

I also found the following on the Friends of Dundee City Archives but it could pure speculation 

Howff Graveyard of Dundee:
Gellatly Alexander, burial 19 Jan 1837; age 1 yr. 4 mths.; born Dundee;  Small Pox; Son of John Gelatly, Mason.

Margaret died in March 1880 aged 69; cert says married at age 23;
This gives a marriage around 1834 which fits with the possible birth of the above Alexander. Cert also says there were 2 deceased males and as I only had one, this accounts for the 2nd male!?

Merry Christmas everyone 

Libby

[Forfarian]

What is/are the Sassines 

The Sasines are the records of changes of ownership of heritable property (i.e. land and buildings) in Scotland.

See http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/sasines.asp

[LibHastings]

I checked the shipping record to see how other E's and A's were written.

Alyth looks like an E = Elyth
and the place in question could well be Easey (aka Eassie). Nice one Archivos.

Of course, as Archivos also said

I'm trying to imagine someone saying it to someone who doesn't know it...

We Aussies are known for slang and writing the way it sounds. No worries, she'll be right mate!!  

Libby

[Archivos]

I think the best phonetic spelling of a name I've ever seen was for Strachan.  For those of you who are familiar with the sound of the North East, you can imagine what the writer had heard when he wrote Strawchine, with the 'ch' being pronounced as in 'loch'...

[Forfarian]

Strachan 

I hear it as just "Strawn". Last time I was passing through I even stopped and asked in the post office, and that's what I was told the residents call it.

[Gali]

I'll mention the obvious one as no one else has!  Have you already investigated the possibility of him being the John Gellatly christened in Alyth in 1812?  Parents David Gellatly and Margaret Niving (married Alyth 1806) siblings Ann, 1808, David 1809, William 1816. 

Have you contacted Dundee City Archives?  They hold records relating to the 'Mason Trade of Dundee, 1659-1960' ... you could ask what they have on Gellatlys?  There are other masons of this name with links to Alyth and environs shown on the census records.  Email address: archives[replace with 'at' symbol]dundeecity.gov.uk

Re the Sassine record you found for a John Gellatly, mason on Hawkhill ... note that there is a will on Scotland's People for a 'John Gellatly, Mason at Hawkhill, latterly Princes Street, Dundee' from 1864 ... 15 pages ... he was 74 when he died.

There are two other wills for surname Gellatly who were masons, each of 23 pages, Peter, of 1842 in Dundee and William of 1850 in Perth.  Might be worth looking at.

By the way, did you notice that one tree on Ancestry gives John's middle name as 'Cuthbert'? 

[LibHastings]

Thank you to everyone for your input.

Gali, I think I stumbled across the John 'Cuthbert' Gellatly name before, so I will look into this. Thank you for the note on the Sassine records. I will also contact Dundee City Archives after the New Year.

Happy New Year everyone and good hunting.

Libby