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Re: Decipher name of town in Angus
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 20 December 11 16:23 GMT (UK) »
the more I look, the more the first letter looks like the one in Alyth.  Which I now think is written 'Ilyth'. 


If I'd come across it without its context I'd have read it as Clyth!

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I have a slight north east accent, but not total Doric or teuchter by any stretch!

There's a world of a difference between Doric and Teuchter ;-)) 

For the benefit of those not fortunate enough to reside in Scotland, 'Doric' is the term used to describe the language as spoken in North-East Scotland, that is, Aberdeenshire and adjacent counties. 'Teuchter' is a faintly pejorative term for Highlanders, and especially those from north and west of the A9, which is the road from Perth to Inverness. At least that's my perception of the meanings, and it will probably start an argument a discussion :-)
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Re: Decipher name of town in Angusshire
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 20 December 11 16:26 GMT (UK) »
See, living in Aiberdeen, anyone from the country is a Teuchter!

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Re: Decipher name of town in Angus
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 20 December 11 16:27 GMT (UK) »
I knew it would prompt an .... er .... difference of opinion  ;)

See, living in Aiberdeen, anyone from the country is a Teuchter!

Aye, fairly that, bit a teuchter fae Aiberdeenshire widnae spik Teuchter - (s)he'd spik Doric!

Reverting to standard English, I've had a look at that ultimate authority on the English language, The Oxford English Dictionary, which defines 'teuchter' as 'a Highlander' and cites the following references:

1940    R Garioch, 17 Poems for 6d. "Thir a glaikit* pair o Teuchters, an as Heilant as a peat."
1962    Scotsman 26 January   "There is ample evidence that she referred to him as a ‘teuchter’, a word which I understand to mean a country bumpkin."
1977    Times Literary Supplement 9 September   "For the inhabitants of Harris are mainly what most Scots call ‘teuchtars’—a word which I had never heard till I had it applied to me by a teacher in a Glasgow school. What is a teuchtar? It is a Lowland Scots imitation of a Gaelic noise, a term of now genial contempt for a crofter or, more generally, for anyone from beyond the Highland line."
1979    R Laidlaw, Lion is Rampant,   "I look like the archetypal teuchter, right down to the fur-bearing cheeks."

* 'glaikit' means a bit slow on the uptake, a sandwich or two short of a picnic, or words to that effect.
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Re: Decipher name of town in Angusshire
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 20 December 11 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Lany, a defunct parish in Perthshire! Glaswegians were much oppressed by teuchter polis!

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Re: Decipher name of town in Angusshire
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 21 December 11 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Libby,
I had a look on Scots Origins for John Gellatly,then went to the updated Family Search. Look at page 4! A John Gellatly born about 1813 in Clyth and his wife Margaret , native place of residence Casey, Angusshire, were Bounty Immigrants to NSW in 1837.

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Re: Decipher name of town in Angus
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 21 December 11 15:07 GMT (UK) »
Jim, is that the same image as in the first post in this thread, or is it a transcription, or a different record altogether?
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Re: Decipher name of town in Angusshire
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 21 December 11 15:16 GMT (UK) »
I suspect it is a transcription. The 3rd line on the original post seems like a baby born on board which would agree with an immigrant ship.

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Re: Decipher name of town in Angus
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 21 December 11 15:19 GMT (UK) »
I suspect it is a transcription.

Yes, that's sort of what I thought. It sounds like a transcription of Lib's original image. The problem is that there is no such place as Casey in Angus, and Clyth is in Caithness, not Perthshire.
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Re: Decipher name of town in Angusshire
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 21 December 11 15:29 GMT (UK) »
Yes I agree but if Clyth is Alyth,given that this is a shipping document Casey could well be a misinterpretation of Eassie. Like the N East, Angus has it's own accent.

Jim.