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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #108 on: Thursday 12 January 12 09:13 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Tedscout I have just checked my profile and updated it.

You're not alone Rishile I use Ancestry nearly every day for something and hadn't realised my profile was telling people I hadn't logged in for months ;) ;)

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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #109 on: Thursday 12 January 12 10:32 GMT (UK) »
No problems Jocie

I like Ancestry and use it nearly every day. I found out about the staying logged in problem by contacting someone with the line "I know you haven't been logged in for 6 months but I think we are related"

only to get the reply back straight away "but Im logged in now and your profile says you havent been logged in for 6 months"

Now I try to remember to check and update and this topic reminded me I hadn't updated for quite some time.  ;D
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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #110 on: Thursday 12 January 12 13:10 GMT (UK) »
I thought that too - never thinking to check myself ::)

What we really need to know is when a person last 'used' the site.

As for me, I've been logged on for so long I'm not sure I'd remember my password if I logged out now ;D
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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #111 on: Saturday 14 January 12 17:25 GMT (UK) »
For me, part of it is the bad feeling of having been taken for a fool.

If I'm out in public and I hold a door open for someone, if that person brushes past without saying thank you, it bothers me, first because I think it's rude and second because it feels as if that person either thinks I'm so inconsequential as to be invisible or so below them as to be their servant. The whole encounter, such as it is, may only last five seconds, and I'm not actually injured in any way, but it leaves me (however briefly) with a sour feeling and a question of whether I should bother to be so courteous in the future.

Magnify that to feature a hobby that is more of a passion, into which I have poured years of serious dedication and thousands of dollars, all being appropriated, sometimes without permission, usually without so much as a thank you. I feel used somehow, taken advantage of, when a simple thank you or the sharing of information, however minor, would have shown some kind of tangible appreciation for the gift I have given them free of charge, out of the goodness of my heart.

Another example. A niece and nephew are now 22 and 21 years old. I tucked $50 of my own hard-earned cash into Christmas cards for each of them. If I don't receive a thank you from them, they won't receive another penny or gift from me again. (I could have bought at least four genealogy certificates with that money!  ;))

I did have a few trees online a few years ago. I took them down because it bothered me too much when people copied and pasted without thanking me, without being related to most of the people on my tree, without sharing any of their information with me, and even copying my info and then putting it into a private tree that I wasn't allowed to view. I had my trees online because I hoped to make contact with distant relatives. I learned that not everyone has the same motives, or manners, as me. I was naive.

I understand that some family history buffs may consider me thin skinned because they don't share, or understand, my feelings. Those are my feelings and, even though I might not fully understand them myself, once I realized the way I responded emotionally to the online behaviour of many people, all I could do was take my ball home and refuse to play on their playground anymore.

Now, before I share information, I seriously consider how I would feel if... and if it would bother me too much, I don't share the information. Since I'm the only serious researcher into my and my husband's families, and the only accurate information online about my family originated with me (see above), I'm not missing out on not being contacted by relatives. One hundred percent of the time, if and when people have contacted me or vice versa, I have always done more research and had more information than them.

I have appreciated being able to view other people's work online, and have at times used it as a guide, but always seek to prove the data myself through my own research. Maybe one day my feelings will be less sensitive and I will post my trees again and not care about the things that bother me now. Anything's possible.  :)
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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #112 on: Saturday 14 January 12 17:56 GMT (UK) »
I agree with you completely Josephine...but I am still in the delemna of 'Public' or 'Private'..Awhile back I realised that a tree on ancestry was growing every day with all the information on one particular line in my tree..photos and everything. I tried contacting..to no avail and so, feeling stupid, gullible and taken advantage of..I made my tree private.

The next day who and behold a message from this other tree's owner asking permission to see my tree. It turned out to be a genuine family connection. She had no qualms about copying my info and even said.."Your tree has helped me so much..I got back 5 generations in two hours thanks to your tree".. :o

However..I was pleased to be in contact with another branch and thought, hey...if your tree is private they are obliged to contact you...so I left it private.

The next week I saw a photo on another tree which was relevant to my tree. Being who I am (stupid!)..I wrote ever so politely,,asking if they didn't mind me 'borrowing' their photo...who it was for...the connection and all. I mentioned that my tree was private but I was willing to exchange any information.

Her reply was that as her tree was public anyone could take anything  (implying I was stupid to ask) and as for sharing info...that she couldn't be bothered with my information because anyone who's tree was private was not open to critisism!  :o BOING..Hit on the head. :o

Next day I returned to Public!!
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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #113 on: Saturday 14 January 12 18:01 GMT (UK) »
That is the question, indeed, gcrossley!  ;)
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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #114 on: Saturday 14 January 12 21:52 GMT (UK) »

I am curious to know where you find Ancestry's rules about taking or as you say "stealing" photographs. It is actually easy to see who owned the original photograph. It says on Ancestry who posted the picture  originally and I think if the original poster removes the photograph it is removed from every one else's tree who attached the photograph to their tree.
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Not true, but I wish it was.  My tree was public initially, but has been private since I realised that my photos were being copied.   The photos of my parents, grandmothers and children are on the tree of someone who has now topped 57100 people.  I have tried repeatedly to appeal to her better nature to remove them from public view.  She will not.  These photos are no longer on my tree but remain on hers, also on the private tree of someone who ignores my messages.  I have no problems with someone saving time by copying searchable public records that I have already found, but personal photos are a different matter.    And yes, I expect some to think 'how stupid' to attach the photos in the first place.

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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #115 on: Saturday 14 January 12 22:59 GMT (UK) »
It says this under Content Submission Guideline in Ancestry

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We are sensitive to the copyright and other intellectual property rights of others. Be aware that content, including photographs, even if submitted to a site of which you are a member, belongs to the creator or submitter and you should not reproduce it without permission of the owner and that photographs of living individuals must not be posted without their consent.

So really if you contact them is should be removed, but people know you cant really do anything about it.
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Re: Don't people realise how much it hurts
« Reply #116 on: Saturday 14 January 12 23:41 GMT (UK) »
Concerning photographs - I realise that once a photo has been passed on to a contact with mutual ancestry, one cannot say don't publicise it. However, what I did find strange was when I saw a photo (taken kindly for me by someone else) of my great-great-great-grandparents' gravestone that had my name printed on the front of the photograph. I did not take kindly to that and asked the people that had the photo in their trees to remove my name; they didn't take kindly to my request.

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