Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9

[Spidermonkey]

Will have a look for a death for Rosina 1852.  There is another Rosina Cullmer bn in 1852 in Holborn (Mar qtr 1b 419)

This Rosina has a MMN of Gill (so would that be Sarah Smith/Whitehead/Cullmer, (wife of George Isaac) 's maiden name?

[janan]

I haven't found Warren Ingram in 1911 but in 1919 and 1920 he is on the electoral roll at 19 Vincent Terrace, Islington and 4 Alfred St, Islington 1929-32

Jan

[Aceh]

Not sure if this will get us anywhere:
Edward Culmmer dies 1849 in the taproom of the Bull & Mouth.
1851 census has his widow Annie Gardner Cullmer nee Cole with daughter Annie Susan and Lucy Cole, sister of Annie, all "needlewoman" in the Rookery that was Bartholomew Close in the City off Aldersgate Street.
1852 - 4 May Annie Gardner Cullmer nee Cole died in Lower Street, Deal Kent. Why she was then living in Kent is unknown - possibly to be close to Cullmer relatives? but she was born in Warwickshire!
1861 census - Mary Colmer not found; neither was her marriage or death. Lucy Cole is a servant in Aston Warwickshire. Alfred sent down at the Bailey for "abducting" Emily Blackshaw - Mary Cullmer nee Hale exits stage left with the legit kids.
1862 - Annie Susan's last known child registerd in Q1 Finsbury. But Annie Susan a bolt hole for Mary Colmer + child by then around 9 years old? But possibly is the child Georgette???

or  could Mary Colmer (possibly with infant) be with her mother or other Culmer relation in Deal or east Kent generally around 1851 and remain there?
or could she be in Warwickshire with her unmarried Aunt Lucy Cole around 1861?

Sorry- straws in the wind and potentially nonsence. We do not know how close the Culmer siblings and their spouses were to each other in this period before the fire business started.

Over to you - I'm off to have a bite to eat! 

[toni*]

Alfred Urwin we had in the Lewes House of Correction but we did not have the reason he was there.

Georgette appears with sister Rosina and Rosinas husband Isaac William Osborne  on Georgettes marriage her father is given as William
I cannot remember who Rosina gives as her father on her marriage
The 1861 census with mother Ann is this Annie Susan? I don't know if we have that before.

Thanks for finding Warren on the electoral roll

I hate not having a sub but I can't afford to renew at the moment 

[toni*]

If Georgetta was born in 1858 and Annie Susan was married in 1859 maybe Georgetta is not the child of Alfred Urwin and her father is actually someone called William so therefore she would still be the sister albeit half sister of Rosina

[toni*]

and the big one! WHO was Georgetta Culmer how does she actually fit in - she is giving me a headache!
the one who says her father is William - didn't she marry Noble Smith ?

She does indeed marry him on 24th June 1888.  Her father is William Cullmer, a bag handle maker.  Witnesses are William Mather and Elizabeth Scanlon.

Noble dies 17th Jan 1937.  Address on probate is 51 Park Road, London W 1.  Probate granted to Georgette Theresa Smith, spinster

interesting the witnesses are not named Rosina or Alfred! 
seriously I mean interesting they are not connected to the other people in this thread
at first I thought Georgette had gained a middle name but I realise now its must be a daughter!

[toni*]

Georgetta is on the census as sister in law to Isaac William Osborne - he married Rosina Culmer daughter of Alfred Culmer & Ellen Wheeler not Rosina Urwin daughter of Alfred Urwin and Annie Susan Culmer

[toni*]

do we know who Rosina Culmer b. Q1 1871 Poplar 1c 776
died Islington age 4 Q1 1875 1b 201 belongs to
I hate child deaths its always so sad

added -  I found her in 1871 with father Edward and mother Caroline

[toni*]

I am posting this specifically as we have mention of Winch (no first name) at Lorrimore Road in the 1891 trial papers.

marriages:
William David Culmer     
1890   
 Age     24   
 Spouse's Name    Louisa Winch       
 Spouse's Age     19   
 Event Date     26 Dec 1914   
 Event Place     St. Paul, Deptford, Kent, England   
 Father's Name     William Alfred Culmer   
 Spouse's Father's Name    William George Winch     
 both parties were single
note also that the fathers name is William Alfred which is what Aceh was saying possibly is where the confusion lies with Georgette giving her fathers name as William and not Alfred