Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9

[Spidermonkey]

Friday 8th March 1946
The Telegraph Brisbane
Would any persons having knowledge of the whereabouts of John Eugene Culmer lately of Laisky Drive, Spring Hill, Brisbane please communicate with C J Pattinson Solicitor 239 Queen Street Brisbane.

In 1943 he is on Scott Street, Newcastle, New South Wales with Marjory Ann Culmer and Richard Alexander Culmer

And in 1940 he appears in the Queensland Police Gazette Index,  charged with deserting his wife and children.

[Aceh]

Marriage:

 fourth son of Mr. and Mrs. Culmer (England).

Sydney being economical with the truth I see, as well he might, being free of all blame.

[Aceh]

Friday 8th March 1946
The Telegraph Brisbane
Would any persons having knowledge of the whereabouts of John Eugene Culmer lately of Laisky Drive, Spring Hill, Brisbane please communicate with C J Pattinson Solicitor 239 Queen Street Brisbane.

In 1943 he is on Scott Street, Newcastle, New South Wales with Marjory Ann Culmer and Richard Alexander Culmer

And in 1940 he appears in the Queensland Police Gazette Index,  charged with deserting his wife and children.

I was about to suggest that someone was leaving him money but perhaps his wife was chasing him for maintenance.
These latter members of the Culmer family are really letting the side down. Back in 1485 his forefather Richard Culmer, Yeoman of the parish of St Peter in Thanet, was buried in the chancel before the altar as a leading member of Kentish society.

[toni*]

oh Hi I wasn't really expecting any replies after so long but was just trying to update some things
thanks for your help - so if John (Jack) Eugene deserted his wife and children we know at least he had a wife and child!

Sydney was the 4th son, Alfred, George, Frederick and then Sydney - although Alfreds mother was Mary Hale and not Ellen Wheeler

Ellen Wheeler had a brother Harry (Henry) Wheeler and he married Rachel Hitchins - he is fairly consistent with his y.o.b being 1856ish but, of course there is a but, his father Samuel Nixon Wheeler died in 1853.
So was Harry/ Henry actually born earlier or is his father not Samuel Nixon Wheeler?

(his marriage certificate states father as Samuel Nixon Wheeler master mariner and it is widely assumed that a child of a married woman is that of the husband whether that be the case or not - its just I don't think they would expect Harry to be son of Samuel if Harry was born 3 years or even 2 years and 3 months after Samuels death)

[toni*]

speculation but I wonder if he is a descended from GIC

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Eugene_Culmer_4294029/

[toni*]

Aceh

do you agree with Edwards possible parentage here?


Reply #75 on: Friday 29 January 10 22:51 GMT (UK) »



Have quickly scanned the other threads but couldn't see this (apologies if it has been posted already).

Alfred senior's father was Edward (only birthdate we have is 25 in 1841, so could actually be aged between 25 and 30).  There is a baptism of Edward Culmer (parents William and Mary, 19 Sept 1810, St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent)  This appears to be the same parents as the George Culmer bp 1791, who might have been the father of the William Culmer who married Sarah Chatterton.

What this actually means, I have no idea; but I do like the idea of being able to tie together all the Culmers that are scampering around the East End of London

[Aceh]

Evening Toni*,

I confirm that Edward Culmer, a carpenter, was baptised at St Mary the Virgin in Dover on 19 September 1810, the youngest son of William Culmer and his wife Mary nee Hayward. Another son of William and Mary was indeed George Culmer, fisherman and later a fishmonger, who was baptised at the same church in 1791 (actual date not yet found). This George married Elizabeth Brice at the same church on 9 July 1809 and their eldest son, William Henry Culmer was baptised in Dover on 22 August 1810. I don't have a marriage for him and have him being probably dead before Q3 1837 as I haven't found him so far in GRO bmd records.

Going back to Edward, he married Annie Cole in 1830 and they had children as per 1841 census in Limehouse: Mary in c1829/30, who I believe went into service; George Isaac born 24 August 1831, who eloped to Brooklyn NY with his girl friend in 1853 leaving his pregnant wife Sarah behind in London. (Sarah married William Whitehead in Q3 1856 and their 2nd son was the infamous Frederick William Whitehead); Annie Susan, bpt 1833,  who married Noble Edwin Smith in 1859 and finally Alfred born c 1835. No baptism records for Mary or Alfred, but both believed to have been born in Dover.

Edward died in the Tap Room of the Bull & Mouth Inn on Bull & Mouth Street in the City of London on 6 March 1849 of "Typhus, 14 days, certified" according to his death certificate, but quite how he managed to drag himself from the family hovel in nearby Bartholomew Close to the "Tap" for his last pint is quite remarkable.

[Spidermonkey]

Edward died in the Tap Room of the Bull & Mouth Inn on Bull & Mouth Street in the City of London on 6 March 1849 of "Typhus, 14 days, certified" according to his death certificate, but quite how he managed to drag himself from the family hovel in nearby Bartholomew Close to the "Tap" for his last pint is quite remarkable.

 

That's fab!

[Aceh]

But, in all seriousness, the death of 13 / 14 year old Alfred's father at the fairly young age of 39 may have had a bearing on Alfred's subsequent behaviour. Being without a father figure at that age would have been quite devestating I think.