Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9

[Aceh]

Toni,

Images for 1891 appear to be missing from the archive for the Illustrated Police News, so I tried the 20 and 27 December 1890 as The Times for 20 December has a report on the appearance of George Cullmer alias Franklin et al at the Southwark Magistrates Court. Unfortunately there were no results coming up for those dates. The Front page for 27 December has a full page illustration of a woman being hanged, so no doubt the initial proceedings against young George and his associates didn't make it into print as there were more sensational cases to write up.
What we really need is the IPN reports (and illustrations?)for the Old Bailey trials the following February, but as I say, the whole of 1891 appears to be missing.

The British Library Newspaper Archive is pay to view and the largest image size without paying is far to small to read anything at all.

[toni*]

now why would the whole of 1891 be missing ?
very strange

[Spidermonkey]

now why would the whole of 1891 be missing ?
very strange

It's a conspiracy!!! 

[Aceh]

Morning Toni,

A couple of weeks ago we were discussing Frederick Edward Cullmer, 2nd son of Alfred & Ellen.
We already had him in 1871 & 1881:
1871: Bethnal Green RG10/500, folio 28, page 6 - aged 4 born Bethnal Green (Birth Certificate says Shoreditch)
1881: Highbury RG11/256, folio 38, page70 - aged 14, Doctor's Errant Boy, born Stepney

I have now found:
1891: Lewisham RG12/517, folio 87, page 2 - aged 23, Engineer's Pattern Maker, born Stepney.
(NB I had originally another Frederick of the right age, a Button Maker, but he turned out to be the son  of one of the Brush Maker Culmers).

I have hunted for Frederick Edward in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses - there are a handful of Fredericks about but are either born outside the Shoreditch / Bethnal Green / Stepney area or are somewhat outside of the age range or have a different middle name. Indeed, even the Pattern Maker in 1891 is given the middle initial as 'J'!
So, nothing exactly proven beyond 1881, although we know he was around in 1891 as he was mentioned in relation to the Fire Business; I'm not sure whether this was in the trials or just in the newspapers. Was his address ever given?

[suehogben]

My aplogies for jumping in on this thread, but I have been sort of following on and off over the time.

I now have a renewed interest in it.

I have a grandfather that I'm having real problems tracking down, he went by the name of Harry Powis.Brief (or maybe not so brief story here) which explains my search for this elusive chap.

http://our-anzacs.tumblr.com/post/2415756759/our-unknown-grandfather

Now I've spent years trying to tack this man down, and at the end of last year, someone informed me that the adress Harry gave for his home on his war records there was a Maria Fish living there, who's son Frederick disappeared, and father was Edward Fish, metal dealer. Maria's mothers name was Powis...so if Harry had changed his name for some reason maybe that;d be a logical name to take.

I recalled that during this long saga of the fire starters that I had seen the name Fish mentioned a few timesbut can't work out the link with them and the crimnals you were talking about. some of whom went to Australia, where Harry Powis went pre 1914 (not sure at what stage as most of the Fish's disappear for the 1901 census.

The family lived in Hackney up to about 1890, then moved to Essex. They seem to disappear after this. Walthanstow in the 1891 census.

Could there be a tie in with my Grandfather, could he have been born Frederick Fish? And could he have been (or the whole family) in this ring of criminals hence their disappearance, and Harry's popping up in Australia, where he went to live with an Arthur Irwin , another chap from Britain who'd joined the AIF, presumably a pal of Harry's as they lived near each other from memory in Britain . Joined together, sailed out together in the same company AIF.

Apologies if I'm throwing a spanner in the works, just seemed a lot of links there, very tenuous I know, but I'm desperate to unravel this chap.

[toni*]

Hi Suehogben I am not sure that your Harry is connected from what you say, maybe it would be a good idea to start a scavenger hunt with the story and we can all take up the challenge, more brains might help to crack it and it won't confuse things any further than they already are on here!

[simonm1953]

I've just come across this thread and so joined Rootschat in the hope that someone can help me...

Back on page 8 of this thread is the statement:
"WILLIAM BURTON NEWENHAM was indicted for unlawfully taking  Frances Louisa Wortham, a girl under 16 years of age, out of the possession, and against the will of Jane Wortham, her mother."

Does anyone know who William Burton Newenham was??

I believe he may have been a son of Robert O'Callaghan Newenham and grandson of Sir Edward Newenham (1732-1814) and his wife Grace Anna Burton.  Certainly, R O'C Newenham had a son Charles Burton Newenham (1794-1887) who married Mary Louisa Darley in 1815; he was Sheriff of the Supreme Court of South Australia.  He and Mary returned to England and are shown in the 1871 Census, living in Cheltenham.

There was another Charles Burton Newenham who married my relation Elizabeth Stuart in 1825:

"Charles Burton Newenham, Attorney-at- Law. Married Elizabeth Stewart (sic), daughter of Thomas Stewart, Esq., of Limerick in August 1825. She died at Mallow, county Cork, without issue, 9th January was buried at 1830 ; he died in 1859 at Blackrock; and both were buried at Brinny Church, Dublin, churchyard, near Bandon, county of Cork."
http://www.archive.org/stream/someaccountofear00hoar/someaccountofear00hoar_djvu.txt

In truth, I'm trying to sort out these two Charles Burton Newenhams - but William B N seems to have possibly been a black sheep of this Anglo-Irish family...

Any ideas?

Simon

[Spidermonkey]

Hi Simon, welcome to RC!

On the criminal register, WBNs birth year is given as 1810.  Does that fit in with your bunch of Newenhams?

[Spidermonkey]

I'm not too familiar with what is on Irish records, but there is a marriage license issued between William Burton Newenham and Sarah Jane Waring in 1830.  Would that tell you who WBNs father was?