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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #126 on: Thursday 21 February 13 23:39 GMT (UK) »
Evening Toni

I have the 2nd son of Alfred and Ellen Wheeler as Frederick Edward Cullmer born 8 March 1867, implicated but not charged. I need to check this!
So Ellen is there as Ingram. As the newspapers say she skipped gone to New Zealand, is there any evidence that the police sent a message there by undersea cable telegraph for her to be apprehended? Too early for radio of course.

What's all this about Fishes various and little Florrie murdered in the vicar's garden? Have I missed some previous posts?
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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #127 on: Friday 22 February 13 10:14 GMT (UK) »
I undertook Some research with Jaywit separately on Edward Fish the acquaintance of FWW and he is in newspaper reports as having discovered little Florries body – her mother sent her to the pub to collect something which was just around the corner – not unheard of at that time but she failed to arrive at the pub and was found in the vicarage partially clothed and for some reason I think under a hedge near a pond ?? dead. Edward Fish was walking through there and discovered her the day or the day after she disappeared she was 6 years old. I have the details but not to hand.
I cannot from memory remember her last name or the year
There was nothing to indicate that Edward Fish had anything to do with her death but nothing to say he wasn’t either.

Ellen was not in custody.
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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #128 on: Friday 22 February 13 10:29 GMT (UK) »
found the newspaper article dated July 3 (sorry no year)  Florrie Rolph
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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #129 on: Friday 22 February 13 12:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

   Year was 1895 Toni  :)
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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #130 on: Friday 22 February 13 12:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Jamajo

Just to note that if Edward Fish was the one up for deception which we think he was he was also known as Edward Davis

and from an earlier thread

Edward Davis Fish b. Mar 1873 Westminster

N.B. Edward davies Fish is the son of william & clara
Name:  Edward Davies Fish
Mother:  Clara Fish
Father:  William Henry Fish
Birth:  16 Apr 1876 - Ealing, London
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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #131 on: Friday 22 February 13 13:31 GMT (UK) »
Going back to Daisy and FWW, did we look at Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper, 8 Oct 1893?  It has a picture of FWW and a description of his 'career'  ;D

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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #132 on: Friday 22 February 13 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Spider i believe i do have a picture of him & Daisy but i think it was from the Penny Post and not Lloyds


Did we establish whether Alfred and Eleanor nee Sampson had children in Aus - they didnt have any over here before they went.
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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #133 on: Friday 22 February 13 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Toni, PM me your email address and I'll send you a copy of the article.

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Re: Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9
« Reply #134 on: Friday 22 February 13 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Toni,

I've just come across a Victorian newspaper called the Illustrated Police News, which from its title, suggests that it may have mugshots. Has this one been checked?
CUL(L)MER: N, E + SE London 19 cent, E Kent pre 1830, New York post 1850, Vic Australia post 1850
JOHNSON: (dockers/ropemakers) Tower Hamlets pre WWII
OSBORN:(dyers, scourers & gloove cleaners) Hoxton, Islington, Clerkenwell pre 1900
KEWLEY: Bradford 1830-1913, IoM pre 1850
CANNELL: IoM pre 1820
FABB: Cambridge
COLE(S): Warks/Oxon border pre 1830
RILEY: (RC) Bishopsgate area pre 1800
HALE: Brighton pre 1850
KIPPS: E Kent pre 1750
HARDING: MEOT post 1850, Bath Area pre 1850
PARTINGTON Lancs