Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9

[Redroger]

Dover to Calais or Newhaven to Dieppe would seem most likely routes to me but I've no idea whether passenger lists survive - when would this have been? Would she have been travelling as Ellen Ingram anyway

Re your earlier post about the court case, I cannot work out why Mrs Culmer gets a mention at all, very strange!!

Jan

1880s pre passports and given the amount of traffic it is most unlikely there were ever any passenger lists. I imagine that all that would be shown would be a valid ticket for the appropriate part of the journey.

[Aceh]

Toni,

Re the identity of Old Bailey witness Mrs Culmer, I find that I have recorded no "brush maker Culmers" living in Islington around 1844 although some were living there in later Victorian times. So the witness Mrs Culmer may well have been Annie Gardner Cole but we need more info on the witness such as age or husband's occupation. Annie's husband Edward was a carpenter so a trade directory for 1844 may show him.

[toni*]

The only reference to Mrs Culmer is when Mrs Wortham is being crossed examined
Mrs Wortham says she knows Mrs Culmer of Lower Road Islington and that she told her the defendant was her Brother in Law. that is it. if Mrs Culmer gave evidence it is not recorded.
I wonder why Mrs Wortham would say that Newenham was her Brother in Law when he wasn't. it was obvious that her husband had died and that Newenham was her lodger before her husband had died, maybe it was to keep up appearances, but it does seem,from the trial, that Mrs Wortham had borrowed some monies of Newenham and maybe this is why she said he was her brother in law. ? You are right I should consult the street directories to see if there are Culmers at Lower Road Islington in 1844.

[toni*]

back in part 4 we discovered that Thomas Francklin Master Mariner father of Ellen Wheeler nee Francklin left a will at the TNA if someone could kindly find me the link (as i can't see for looking)  i will download it.

many thanks 

[Spidermonkey]

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D268922

[toni*]

The last will and testament of Thomas Francklin of York Square Stepney Master Mariner i give and bequeath unto my dear wife Sophia Francklin all my property consisting of  ................ some it is not clear although the writing is very neat! maybe he should have been a doctor instead of a master mariner !
It mentions his vessel known as the Brig Eden
basically he leaves all of his effects and household furniture etc whether on board his vessel or in his house to this wife Sophia who he appoints as executor and the other executor is his dear friend Thomas Thornton
on this 16 day of September 1839 
Thomas Francklin signed as did Thomas Thornton of  31 Great Carter Lane and H.m. Rapier of Honduras Terrace
i am not sure if Thomas Thornton therefore witnessed the will as well as executor i didn't think that was allowed.

[Aceh]

Morning Toni.

So what happened to the money? In one generation Thomas & Sophia's daughter Ellen Elizabeth is involved, through her daughter of the same name, with the Cullmer arsonist gang and ends up at age 70 being sent down at the Bailey for 5 years!

[toni*]

it appears everything was left to Sophia so who knows what she did with money i can make a list of possibles i.e. maybe she paid someone to look after her children, maybe she had to pay off the mortgage of her house maybe she squandered it all away  - when did she die? she didnt marry again as far as i can remember i am sure we followed her on the census however it might do to juat look to see where she was living again and to see whether she was living on her own means.

Thomas Thornton intrigues me as it does appear he is a witness as well as an executor and you couldn't (or at least i dont beleive you can)  witness the will if you are mentioned within it. did he keep some of the effects himself ?

At least we know where the alias Thornton came from.

i wonder who is H . m. Rapier - thats Big H little M Rapier of Honduras Terrace

[toni*]

so from an earlier part of this saga (probably part 4)

All baptised to Thomas & Sophia Francklin, St Anne, Limehouse; living in Limehouse; Thomas was a (master) mariner.

Mary Ann born 20/3/1819
Ellen Elizabeth born 29/5/1822
Emily born 26/8/1823
John Alexander born 11/8/1825
Frederic born 8/7/1827
Isabel born 7/3/1832
Charles Thornton born 29/8/1834

St Annes is the church which would be covered by York Square as this is served by Limehouse station.

1841 Census
HO107 721 22 11 17
?Need Lane, St Martin, Ludgate
Sophia 45 Brush m;
Mary Ann 20
Charles 4

1851 Census
HO 107 1506 84 59
13 Urban Place, Hackney
Sophia 57 Annuitant; b Sevenoaks, Kent
Emily 27 Dau; Toothbrush maker  b Limehouse
Charles 16 Son; Errand boy; b Limehouse
William 2 Grdson; b Bethnal Green


i've just noticed something Charles Francklin was living at Clyde Road Tottenham from 1881-1901 (inc.) in 1890 George Culmer had a fire at (12) CLyde Road Tottenham - this is well off any main road and not a name of a road you would know off the top of your head, however FWW said that George Culmer had a fire at Charles Street Tottenham - which we couldnt locate . Maybe it was Charles Francklin house (it was 7 rooms)  and thus the confusion arose re Clyde & Charles. but does this mean then that Charles Francklin was involved too or his sister thought she would make him a  pretty penny quick if he had run into financial difficulty.