Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9

[deb usa]

Hi everyone

I've been searching around for Annie Susan b 1833 Dover.

In 1861 she is in Shoreditch with children ...found this death .. right place

Ann/a Irvine
bc 1832 36yrs
d Sep q 1868
Shoreditch, London
1c 105

will keep looking

deb

[toni*]

i did get a certificate but it wasfor the wrong Ann/ie Irwin /irvin it could have been that one

[janan]

The London Road Car Company gets a mention here

http://www.ltmcollection.org/resources/index.html?IXglossary=Public+transport+in+Victorian+London%3A+Part+One%3A+Overground

so it might be worth contacting the museum

Jan

There is quite a bit about them here

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Omnibuses_and_Cabs/Part_I/Chapter_IX

A few records come up if you search the National Archives although they don't look like employment records which is what I imagine you are looking for.

[toni*]

thanks Janan
 

added:
they are very helpful

The company was set up in 1878 and changed its name on april 7 1881
in the 1881 census Warren was at 110 Chippenham Road and was a bus driver
at his trial in 9 Feb 1891 he was said to work for the London Road Car-Company as an omnibus driver and whilst 'in nick' in 1891 he is recorded as a bus driver

i cannot find him after the 1891 census until his death in 1934 in Islington 

 

[deb usa]

Hi Toni

Went back through the posts and saw that Aceh gave you this possible death:
1866, Q3, Bethnal Green,  Annie Irwin, 47, 1c 289
Not sure if this is the one you ordered.

The one I found was in Shoreditch where they had been living; also the age fits as I recall seeing somewhere that she was baptised circa 1833. From Aceh: Annie Susan was baptised (along with her elder brother George Isaac) in 1833 .
Ann/a Irvine
bc 1832 36yrs
d Sep q 1868
Shoreditch, London

When and where was Elizabeth Selina born?

deb

[toni*]

i dont have the details with me i'm pretty certain it was a Shoreditch death i ordered

as much as i would like to fill in all the gaps and kill evrybody off some things i think are going to remain a mystery and it is Warren that connects me to the gang and it is him i would really like to concentrate on for now

i can't find him from after his spell in Wandsworth in 1891 (1892 he as sentenced to 12 months hard labour) until his death in Islington in 1934.
 

[toni*]

i have found him in 1901 (i think perhaps we had found him earlier)

he is lodging with Susannah Smith in Clerkenwell and is a carman (51 Whiskin Street)
he says he is single and is aged 36 (9 years younger than he was)

i guess after Ellen absconded if there had been no contact for 7 years then legally he was allowed to marry again and therefore classed as single
the rules regarding this i am not fully aware of but it is something along those lines and after 7 years i do know that if there is no contact / active signs of life  then they can be declared dead

RG13;  255; 84; 37.

[toni*]

found Susannah in 1911 and Warren is not with her
she is still at 51 Whiskin Street and her occupation in 'need work'
her p.o.b is given as Houndsditch City so i think i have found her in 1891 to with her husband David b. Ipswich where her p.o.b is just given as City.
in any case i dont think she is connected to the Culmers / Ingrams etc i think Warren was literally a boarder in 1901 and by 1911 she had run out of money (did he fleece her  )
she had 3 rooms - could she have taken in boarders / lodgers ?
she had no children - none at all living or deceased.

[toni*]

is any of the 1911 census missing ?