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Offline Ann E

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Completed thank you. Please a burial look up
« on: Monday 12 December 11 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Please can anyone help, I am looking for the burial of Marguerite Lucille DUDLEY age 2, died about September 1881
Buried in New Southgate Cemetery London.
Thank you.
Ann
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Re: Please a burial look up
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 December 11 12:04 GMT (UK) »
GRO index has her as Lucille Marguerite Dudley
Dec Qtr1881
Age at Death 2
Reg dist Barnet
Vol 3a P 101

Are you hoping to get extra information from the burial ?

Rosie
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Re: Please a burial look up
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 December 11 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Rosie,
Yes I do have that, I am looking for the date of her burial, I don’t know if there are burial records
for that time & place?
thanks,
 Ann
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Re: Please a burial look up
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 December 11 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ann

The London and Middlesex burial guide at the top of this board gives you the following information about New Southgate Cemetery.

New Southgate Cemetery and Crematorium, (formerly Great Northern London Cemetery) Brunswick Park Road, N11 (1861 crematorium - 1957) present owners Westerleigh Group 

http://www.newsouthgatecemetery.co.uk/


Hopefully all the London civic cemeteries are listed in the guide with information about whether anything is online or not. In this case this is a privately managed cemetery with nothing online. You will have to contact the Westerleigh Group for further information. They may charge for lookups.


If she is buried in a common grave there will be very little further information other than her burial date, age and address. If she is buried in a private grave the cemetery should be able to tell you the date of purchase of the grave and who purchased it and who else is buried in the grave (and the depths of burial). If you think the family would be able to afford to purchase a cemetery plot as opposed to just having the money to pay for the funeral itself it is certainly worth investigating further.


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Valda
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Re: Please a burial look up
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 December 11 22:17 GMT (UK) »
 Hi Velda,
Thank you very much for the information it is very useful, I will look in to it.
I did try a look in the “A GUIDE TO BURIALS IN THE LONDON AREA “but got lost in all the info.
Thank's,
Ann
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Re: Completed thank you. Please a burial look up
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 December 11 01:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ann,

Thought I'd just give you a tip before you contact the cemetery, in case you haven't done so already.

I contacted New Southgate Cemetery after buying my great great grandfather's death certificate to find out when and where in the cemetery he was buried.

I don't think they could have been MORE helpful towards me - I did have have slightly unusual circumstances though, as my gt gt grandfather was buried there in a common grave as he was being detained in a intern camp during the First World War.

They checked the record books whilst I was on the phone to them. They told me that there was a memorial placed by the German government which his name should be on and asked me if I would like to have somebody go down to the memorial and take a photograph of it and e-mail it to me. I received the photos within the hour.

About a month or two after this (I contacted them around August of this year), me and my family went up to the cemetery to see the memorial for ourselves. The staff there asked if we would like to see the original record books and they took us into a room to see them.

Anyway, I'm not guaranteeing that you will get the same treatment, but I would definitely buy the death certificate with the GRO before contacting them. Then you will have a death date to give them and they will have a lot less work to find your relative. I always find having the exact date of death gets a much more positive response from cemeteries when asking for burial information.

If you just say 'he/she died in this quarter of the year' that can widen the search from around a week after the date of death to sometimes looking through a whole record book full of burials. They're a commercial business and this all takes up time.

I hope you find what you're looking for!

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Re: Completed thank you. Please a burial look up
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 December 11 02:41 GMT (UK) »
 Hi mmiles1,
Thank you very much for all the interesting info, & advice, It is good to know that they are very helpful.
I know she had a memorial with inscription on it, maybe they might take a photo of it.
Thank you again,
Ann
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Re: Completed thank you. Please a burial look up
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 January 12 11:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ann
I picked up your request about Lucille Marguerite Dudley on a general search and it jumped out at me.  I am in the middle of my MA at the moment and I am doing research on women in Broadmoor.  I have come across Lucille Dudley the mother and I have a lot of information on her.  She is not actually relevant to the my research (which is on women who murdered their children) but her story grabbed me and I've been looking into it as a side research project.  I have photographic copies of her Home Office file from the National Archive which is huge although I can't get access to her Broadmoor file as there are different rules about opening those files (HO after 50 years, Broadmoor 100 years after the person's death).  I have done a lot of research into her family background too and she really did have an unbelievable life - almost Dickensian certainly it reads almost like a novel!  Coming back to your request about her daughter's grave - I thought that the little girl was buried at St Pancras Parish Church.  I'm not sure where I picked that information up from so I will go back through the myriads of paper that I have and check it out.  It may well have been from a newspaper article and we all know how reliable they are! 

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Re: Completed thank you. Please a burial look up
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 January 12 13:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Aliclare,
 How wonder to hear from you, what a small world. I have done a lot of research on Lucillie Dudley, I see that you have just  registered,  you need to send three messages then I can send you a  private messages with my e mail address, then we can exchange info, looking forward to hearing from you.
Ann
Lacey, IOW, Lacey, Shearstone  SOM, Higgins, Tagg, Sammons, Jackson, Reeves Cowley, Wale OXFORD. Robert Collinson