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Offline Bilge

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Re: Died at sea - Help please
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 11 December 11 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Lifeguard, steamer, left Newcastle, with about 41 passengers; never since heard of; supposed to have foundered off Flamborough Head 20 Dec, 1862.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13205592?searchTerm=&searchLimits=l-publictag=shipwrecks

http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?134006


Two very sources and accounts of the loss.


Vessel finally found:
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/around-yorkshire/local-stories/treasures_tell_story_of_christmas_sea_tragedy_1_2328315
ABELL-Hfds & Glouc. AWFORD-Glouc, Hfds & Worcs. DANTER-Glouc,Hfds & Worcs. DAUNTER-Hfds, Glouc & Worcs. BAYLISS-Worcs & Glouc. BILLINGHAM-Hfds. JENKINS-Glam, & Hfds. PIPER-Suffolk, Glam & Hfds. CULLUM-Hfds, Suffolk & Mom.
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Re: Died at sea - Help please
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 11 December 11 13:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jo, Thank you again. Btw, his name is Dawkins not Hawkins.

Bilge, Thank you for that info.

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Re: Died at sea - Help please
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 11 December 11 13:51 GMT (UK) »
A little confused here. Are we looking for the death of William Dawkins if so can I assume that references to Hawkins lost with LIFEGUARD are erroneous?

I can find no references to  William Dawkins holding a Masters or Mates Certificate, either Foreign or Home trade for the years 1860-1863.

There were at least six vessels with the name SEA NYMPH around in 1861 but one was registered in Stockton and maybe one registered in West Hartlepool..
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Re: Died at sea - Help please
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 December 11 14:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Seaweed,

Yes, the name that I am researching is William Dawkins born circa 1824 from Hartlepool. The information that I have is that in the 1861 census he was recorded as the Master Mariner aboard the Sea Nymph in Renfrewshire, Scotland.

His marriage certificate from Hartlepool in 1847 says - William aged 23 years, bachelor, Occupation - Mariner, Residence - South Terrace Hartlepool, Father's name - George Dawkins, Occupation of father - Farmer.

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 11 December 11 14:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

The William Dawkins (b 1824) on 1861 census as Master of the Sea Nymph gives a birthplace of Deal, Kent;  perhaps not your William.   :-\


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Re: Died at sea - Help please
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 11 December 11 14:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
died at sea on or about  22nd January 1863.

There are reports in The Times, on Wednesday, Jan 21 and Thursday, Jan 22, 1863 of the damage to shipping in the severe gale which had blown from Tuesday morning with terrific violence over the whole of England.

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« Reply #15 on: Sunday 11 December 11 15:03 GMT (UK) »
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The William Dawkins (b 1824) on 1861 census as Master of the Sea Nymph gives a birthplace of Deal, Kent;  perhaps not your William.   

Hi Nanny Jan,

That one was a conundrum that I pondered over for a long time. On the Sea Nymph at that time with William was his wife and two of his children. The three of them matched my details exactly, and the only thing that confused me was the place of birth for William. I thought there must be some reason why he gave that place of birth, but I don't know why. I cannot find any other matches in the 1861 census for him.

If that was not him then that leaves another question to answered but, I still have a record from the National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941 record for William Dawkins. This states William Dawkins was a Master Mariner who died at sea on or about 22nd January 1863, and that his wife, Eliza Dawkins, was granted Principle Registry on 22nd June 1863.

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Paul
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Re: Died at sea - Help please
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 14 December 11 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

I contacted the local library like people suggested, and this was their reply -

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Thank you for your enquiry. We have searched our resources and have found an announcement in the Stockton and Hartlepool Mercury dated 18th Feb 1863. The announcement gives details of the journey of the ship feared lost and its destination along with information on the storms in the North Sea  it goes on to state that a Mr Dawkins master a married had a wife and family residing in Hartlepool.

Is anyone able to help me further with this information?

Many thanks,

Paul
Surnames:- Johnson, Dawkins, Crutchley, Tiplady, Cranney, Laybourn, Rough.

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Re: Died at sea - Help please
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 14 December 11 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Could you give us the name of the ship?
Dim ateb yn well nag ateb anghywir. Nid oes dim yn ddall fel rhai nad ydynt yn dymuno gweld

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