GROS numbers

[ritchiewilk]

This has probably been asked before but I'm curious.

Searching OPR Births on scotlandspeople I saw names entered twice ( same date of birth, name, parents names and place of birth) but with two different GROS numbers.  Why two different GROS numbers?

[MonicaL]

Hi ritchiewilk

Not sure to be honest  Was everything exactly the same? The most obvious thing could be that one record was a birth entry on the register and the other a christening. However, you say that these entries you have in duplicate (except for the GROS numbers) were both for births.

If no one can help, you could try contacting SP and asking the question perhaps, see www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=551&460

Monica 

[ritchiewilk]

Thanks for the help.

I also noticed that along side the parents name is a frame number.  Like the GROS number these are different.

Curiosity got the better of me and I purchased the 2 different records for the same person.  I have 4 duplicated names to check, luckily all the names were on each record.  There are no dates showing when these were written.

Its complicated to explain  :-\so I've attached the images.  Second image to follow.  Check out the entries for Young.

Thanks
Ritchie

Added: Only small relevant sections can be added to due to copyright. Thank you. 

[ritchiewilk]

Second image.

I noticed on this record the year of birth is in the first two decades of the 1800's, for all entries and on the first record the birth year is in the 40's except for the Youngs!

Ritchie

Added: Only small relevant sections can be added to due to copyright. Thank you. 

[hiszafer]

That's a very strange one. Sometimes there are duplicate GROS numbers because birth has been registered in two different places - sometimes a mother gave birth at her mother's home - but I have no answer for this one. Perhaps a local genealogist could help you out.

[flst]

Could the first entries be in a notebook, & then entered into the register afterwards? I have seen, in my research, christenings entered at the end of a register.They had been copied from the family's bible.
regards,
flst

[andycand]

Hi

If you look at the entries on both images they seem to all refer to 'born' and none to'christened', this would suggest that they were possibly not Church of Scotland. I think the C of S were supposed to also record non C of S births and marriages that occurred in the parish, some parishes did but others didn't. It also looks like some parishes caught up with these events prior to 1855 when Registration commenced. I have a couple of OPR images relating to my family were the page covers births over a 20 year period and I know that my relatives were christened in the United Presbyterian Church, not Church of Scotland. I suspect that in this case the minister has caught up with non C of S births not realising that some had already been entered some years earlier. These catch-ups also tend to be in family groups.

Andy

[ritchiewilk]

Thanks for your input everyone.  It is a strange one.  I have heard of siblings being christened at the same time but not births recorded in this way and not 20-40 years after they were born, as it appears.

I've contacted scotlandspeople to explain this.  Hopefully they will provide an answer.  If they do I'll let you know.

So, while I'm waiting I'll go off and try and solve other mysteries in this family.

Thanks again
Ritchie

[MonicaL]

Hi Ritchie

Sorry, had to take off the original OPR page images you had attached above due to copyright reasons.

Just one comment from me now. The main references from the two images were for two different Andrew Youngs, one born in 1825 and the other in 1814:

18 Jan. 1825 GROS ref 775/00 0020 0108 Galashiels
29 Sept. 1814 GROS ref 775/00 0010 0215 Galashiels

Am I missing something here?

Monica