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[toni*]

and just to confuse you there are also these burials

William Walpole s/o John Walpole & Patient Matthews North Walsham 21.07.1814
Jonas ditto
William & Jonas as above but date 21.07.1813

so possibly Jonas & William were twins and died as babies although not before they were born obviously
 John decided he better make an honset woman of Patience and then Elizabeth was born followed by Jonas and then later another William

[toni*]

and bingo we have

Name: Pationes Matthews 
Gender: Female 
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Jun 1785 
Baptism/Christening Place: Cawston, Norfolk, England 
Father's Name: Robert Matthews 
Mother's Name: Mary Matthews 

which ties in with Patience Walpole p.o.b on the 1851 & 1861 census

[toni*]

Robert & mary had a whole lot of children christened at Cawston as well as Patience


Sarah Matthews
 christening: 15 Jun 1779 Cawston,​ Norfolk,​ England

Robert Matthews
 christening: 01 Feb 1789 Cawston,​ Norfolk,​ England

William Deving Matthews
 christening: 01 Mar 1772 Cawston,​ Norfolk,​ England
 
Judith Matthews
 christening: 06 Nov 1781 Cawston,​ Norfolk,​ England
 
Ann Matthews
 christening: 20 Dec 1783 Cawston,​ Norfolk,​ England

John Matthews
 christening: 07 Dec 1774 Cawston,​ Norfolk,​ England

James Matthews
 christening: 12 Jun 1785 Cawston,​ Norfolk,​ England
 
Elizabeth Matthews
 christening: 23 Mar 1777 Cawston,​ Norfolk,​ England

 

[Captain2]

Well that rules out Phoebe Gates and Patience Matthews being sisters, perhaps there is no Walpole connection to look for, it also rules out Samuel Morse as being Patience's father

[Spidermonkey]

So I think we can say at this point, as far as we can tell, the Walpoles are not connected by blood to the Remnants.

As for the Whitham/Wittup issue - Toni, I appreciate what you are saying and I too find it difficult to see how the ending of the name can be so very different in just a few years.  However, what makes me want to look into this further is the marriage between Emily Remnant and Robert Whitham, especially with the baptism records at Pulham and then John Wittup in 1851 giving his place of birth as Pulham.

But I am open to all evidence!

[toni*]

yes of course that is a valuable clue not to be thrown away
there isn't a separating line betwixt samuel morse and anna whitup so i would assume they are the same household in 1841 so it would be worth investigating him more

[Spidermonkey]

I have made an error in the name of the lodger in 1841, and it is Samuel MASON not Morse.  (How I got Morse when I looked at it the first time, I have no idea!)

[toni*]

Samuel Mason appears on the 1841 census in the same household as Anna Whitup
the Rembelants and also the Walpoles he is marked as being aged 75 and BIC now I believe anyone under the age of 14 and over the age of 65 exact ages were meant to be given on the 1841 census if this practice was adhered to  this would give him a birth year if 1766
We have found a tentative connection between the Rembelants and the Anna Whitup i.e we think these are her grandparents,
Did we manage to find a connection to the Walpoles ? Patience Walpole being formerly Matthews ? it may be that as the head of the household the rest were just lodgers
It seems FindMyPast have Samuel Mason as born 1771 residing Paston North Walsham (or the other way round) thst would make him 70 not 75 in 1841
It seems strange that the households are separated by the usual line and there is no mark between Anna Whitup and Samuel Mason suggesting they were part of the same household but then again Samuel goes on to the next page.
Another thought occurred to me is that Samuel is listed after Anna
Was this not a time when men were thought more significant then women and were usually listed first or at least in age order
Anna being only 15 and Samuel 70 or 75 why is Anna listed first? Is it because she is actually in the Rembelants household and the dividing mark put in the wrong place
Maybe they have divided the household into rooms so the Rembelants in one room the Walpoles in another and Anna in another then on the next page you have Samuel in another. Would the house have had 4 bedrooms ?
I note that Patience nee Matthews had a few siblings I wonder if these married a Rembelant or a Mason or even Whitup this should be investigated
I also note that the Walpoles had children Jonas, William and Elizabeth what happened to these children who did they marry?
 There are a couple of Samuel Masons born in Norfolk circa 1760-1775 but we have no way of telling if these are ours or not. If Samuel is not on the 1851 census ti leads me to believe he died can we find his death ? although I am not sure if this would give us any clues on him.
Have you tried the land tax records of 1798 ? this will tell you who is in each household and who owned the property, I think this would be interesting to see as it might give a clue to relationships.

[Spidermonkey]

Now that Christmas is out of the way, I have time to go over all these findings, and want to thank all of you who contributed in knocking down a rather large brick wall!!

I have been tying up loose ends and hatching, matching and dispatching Richardsons and Remnants.

I was astonished to find Thirza Richardson (now Bungard) dying in 1940 aged 100!!!  1940 was before I (or my parents!) was born, but it feels almost tangible - the changes and upsets in the world that she must have seen is mind blowing!