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Dating and comparison of girls
« on: Sunday 04 December 11 15:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

The first CDV is from my great grandfather's photo album. The same girl appears in his sister's photo album. On the back it says 17 or 19 years old ( I think 19)
A date may really help to narrow it down as to who she might be.
There is nothing on the back. The card is quite thick and the actual photo is quite crudely pasted on the front. It also looks like there was once protective tissue attached at the top edge .

My next question is, could the second picture be of the same girl, What would the date of this one be and would the dates fit?
On the back of this one it is stamped, S.Smale, The Studio, Kingsbridge.
The card measures 1 3/4 inches by 3 inches.

All opinions welcome.
Becky

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Re: Dating and comparison of girls
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 December 11 15:43 GMT (UK) »
Seems to be the same ear on both ladies.
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Re: Dating and comparison of girls
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 December 11 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Late 1890s, both of them. Best I can do, sorry :P

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Re: Dating and comparison of girls
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 December 11 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Could they be siblings or cousins perhaps? Or perhaps it is something as mundane as before and after wearing spectacles? :)
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Re: Dating and comparison of girls
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 December 11 17:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Seoras- I too think the ear is similar. I also think the mouth.

China- could you hazzard a guess at which one is earlier. I am posting a anothre one,which looks like it was taken same day. Does the background help with a date?

Redroger- there are two of the spectacles one, one with spectacles and one without. Posting the other one for you!!!

Becky

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 December 11 17:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, I think the two are in fact sisters.
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Re: Dating and comparison of girls
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 December 11 18:33 GMT (UK) »
It looks like the two pairs were taken the same day.

I think the two with the girl in the darker dress are a bit earlier, but not by much. I think the girl on the left  of the last photo is a sister, and all the others are the same girl. If that makes sense :)
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Re: Dating and comparison of girls
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 December 11 19:23 GMT (UK) »
Thanks China and Roger.

China-I do think, as you that all the others are the same girl. As you say the girl on the left could be/probably is a sister.
 Since I thought that the girl in the darker dress looks younger I am pleased that you think that those two are slightly earlier.

I also think that the girl who appears several times is likely to be close family since she appears in the albums of sister and brother. I am still having trouble finding a likely candidate.

I also can't locate the photographer in the censuses around that time. I believe it was a lady called Susan Smale?

Thanks for all you interest
Becky

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Re: Dating and comparison of girls
« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 December 11 01:16 GMT (UK) »
I agree that it appears to be the same young woman in all four photos. I also agree that all four photographs appear to be from the mid to late 1890s based on wardrobe and mount. It appears that you have to pairs of photos, each pair apparently taken around the same time, probably during the same setting.

I’m inclined to say that the photos with “17 or 19” written on the back of them were taken a little earlier than the headshots. When comparing them, it appears that the nose and muzzle area of the face are extended further out and that the top tip of the ear is a bit elongated, indicating growth. While the faces are not in the exact same pose, and even a small degree of difference in angle can make a difference, I’ve overlaid the two images so you can see what I mean. The red lines are of the girl with the white lining, the blue lines the woman in the headshots. Using the left eye and ear as an anchor point, it appears to me some of the features in the photo when the girl is 17 or 19 (red) are a bit more close together than the headshots (blue).

Aside from this I would say that the headshots show a slightly more mature style. The dress seems more adult to me as well as the hair. I don’t believe an adult woman would let her hair down, even partially, as seen in the photo of the 17 or 19 year old.

 I would guess you’re looking for someone born between about 1877-1885. In my experience, these sort of group photos of younger folks in the late 19th century weren’t always siblings. Sometimes they were close cousins and sometimes just friends. If your ancestor and his sister didn’t have any other sisters born around this time, I would take a look at their first cousins next.