Born at Sea Reg'd in Middlesex - brickwall

[lifferf]

I'm trying to track down the birth record of my great great grandfather.  He is on various census' as being born at sea/born on the sea 'british subject' but one of the census said born at sea, birth reg'd at Middlesex.  I have done various searches on various family search sites and cannot find a birth record for him.  He is called Richard Robinson Prior (Pryor) and was born approx 1822, his father (according to his marriage cert) is called Charles Prior, but I don't have any record of his mother.  I'm not sure if Robinson is a middle name or the first part of a double-barrel surname.  I have checked marriage records for a Robinson and Pryor but with no joy.  I wonder if anyone can help either with Middlesex baptism or birth records.  He later went on to live in Sheffield so I'm not sure if his parents came from Middlesex or Sheffield.

Any help is much appreciated as I've been hitting my head against this brickwall for nearly a year.

Regards
Liz

[AMBLY]

Hi Liz

I see on one Census, his pob is stated to be Calcutta.

Did Richard's marriage cert state an occupation for his father (did Richard marry twice? If do both records state the same information for his father?)

Also, who were the witness' to the marriage(s).

Cheers
AMBLY

[avm228]

Hi Liz and a warm welcome to Rootschat

The censuses for Richard are a bit all over the place as to his birth, aren't they?

1841: Richd PRYOR, 20, born in county (Yorkshire)
1851: Richd Robinson PRYOR, 30 Born on the Sea (HO107/2338/337/30)
1861: Richard R PRYOR, 39, b Middlesex London (RG9/3474/41/33)
1871: Richard PRYOR, 50, b High Seas Calcutta British Subject (RG10/4681/152/8)
1881: Richard R PRYOR, 59, Born on sea (RG11/4636/108/31)
1891: Richard R PRYOR, 69, b Calcutta (RG12/3808/42/31)

[Died aged 75, Jun qtr 1896 Ecclesall Bierlow as Richard Robinson PRYOR]

I see that he married twice - first to Sarah SHEPHERD in 1839 and then to Henrietta STOREY in 1876.  Which of the marriage certificates do you have?  

He seems to be PRYOR rather than PRIOR in all the records so far other than the first marriage.

Will see what else I can see.

Anna

Edited: Hi Ambly - sorry for cross-post!

[jennifer c]

Both marriages in Sheffield.

Jennifer

[lifferf]

Hi, and thanks for your assistance with this, I have both marriage certificates but he married Sarah Lawrence in July 1839 not Sarah Shepherd (I hit this wrong track early on). His certificate states he was 19 when he married Sarah which would put his birth at 1820, but then his 2nd marriage in 1876 states he was 54 so that would take his birth to 1822.  I'm not sure if Calcutta is the name of the ship or the departure/destination.

Hi Liz and a warm welcome to Rootschat

The censuses for Richard are a bit all over the place as to his birth, aren't they?

1841: Richd PRYOR, 20, born in county (Yorkshire)
1851: Richd Robinson PRYOR, 30 Born on the Sea (HO107/2338/337/30)
1861: Richard R PRYOR, 39, b Middlesex London (RG9/3474/41/33)
1871: Richard PRYOR, 50, b High Seas Calcutta British Subject (RG10/4681/152/8)
1881: Richard R PRYOR, 59, Born on sea (RG11/4636/108/31)
1891: Richard R PRYOR, 69, b Calcutta (RG12/3808/42/31)

[Died aged 75, Jun qtr 1896 Ecclesall Bierlow as Richard Robinson PRYOR]

I see that he married twice - first to Sarah SHEPHERD in 1839 and then to Henrietta STOREY in 1876.  Which of the marriage certificates do you have?  

He seems to be PRYOR rather than PRIOR in all the records so far other than the first marriage.

Will see what else I can see.

Anna

Edited: Hi Ambly - sorry for cross-post!

[lifferf]

In his first marriage, his witnesses were W.Lawrence and what looks like J. Hudson (copy is very poor)
Second marriage, his witnesses were William Wilson and Annie Ward.

Regards
Liz

Hi Liz

I see on one Census, his pob is stated to be Calcutta.

Did Richard's marriage cert state an occupation for his father (did Richard marry twice? If do both records state the same information for his father?)

Also, who were the witness' to the marriage(s).

Cheers
AMBLY

[t mo]

hi all
FindMyPast have born at sea birth records but he,s not in those so checked in army births just in case he was there again nothing and in ordinary bmd,s found this one which i realise is the wrong year but thought i,d throw it in the ring as it appears to be an unusual name  - richard robinson pryor born apr-jun 1847 ecclesall bierlow  vol 22 p 122 hope i,m not repeating what has already been posted .

just  a wild thought on the whole matter of wether this rr pryor was born at sea/on the sea or where ever as at that time folk lived anywhere they could is it possible he was born on a houseboat moored on the sea in a port or estuary or some such which may have caused this confusion , especially as there are so many differing census entries , or have i got too vivid an imagination 
regards
trevor
ps do i take it that all censuses he is as a married person hence no parent info

[avm228]

found this one which i realise is the wrong year but thought i,d throw it in the ring as it appears to be an unusual name  - richard robinson pryor born apr-jun 1847 ecclesall bierlow  vol 22 p 122 hope i,m not repeating what has already been posted .

I think that's his son (of whom there are later records including census & marriage).

Unfortunately the "born at sea" records only start in 1854, so much too late for a birth abt 1822. 

Given the repeated references to Calcutta (1871 and 1891 censuses), I wonder whether any Indian records exist.

[avm228]

Did Richard's marriage certs state an occupation for his father? Do both marriage records state the same information for his father?

(Ambly previously asked these questions)