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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #27 on: Monday 05 December 11 21:19 GMT (UK) »
What dates do you have for your John Perry, just out of interest.

Was he the brother of Thomas senior or Thomas junior?

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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 06 December 11 05:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Selina

Ok I think John Perry is the one born in 1703.

I have him as apprentice to Thomas Perry of Newmarket in 1725

Next I find his business advertisement in the book I mentioned earlier in this posting. That book gives a date of 1750 at which point John Perry has his shop at #93 The Strand in London, as cap maker\\\ son of Thomas Perry of Cambridge

Name: John Perry Dates: 1751-1775 Location: London Occupation: merchant commerce(s) Gender: Male Address:
Address(Es): Opposite Southampton Street, Strand, London
Occupation:
Occupation(s): merchant, commerce(s)


Ancestry gives from 1763 John Perry #88 The Strand and Cap Maker to The Queen (I am not sure if #88 and #93 are the same premises due to a number change

Name: John Perry Dates: 1751-1775 Location: London Title: cap maker to her Majesty Gender: Male Address:
Address(Es): Strand, Opposite Southampton Street, London
Office Holdings:
Other Office(s): cap maker to her Majesty
Source Date: 1763


Voting

Surname
PERRY< no role >
Forename JOHN
Parish St Clement Danes and St Mary-le-Strand Street STRAND
Vote Fox
From 1780-01-01 To 1780-12-31

Surname PERRY < no role >
Forename JOHN
Parish St Clement Danes and St Mary-le-Strand Street STRAND
Rack Rental Value 40
From 1784-01-01 To 1784-12-31


Surname PERRY
Forename JOHN
Parish St Clement Danes and St Mary-le-Strand Street STRAND
Occupation UMBRELLA MKR
Vote Fox From 1790-01-01 To 1790-12-31
Note he made caps and umbrellas at this period

This should be his son at the same address

Surname PERRY< no role >This name instance is in set 1694
Forename SAMPSON
Parish St Clement Danes and St Mary-le-Strand
Street STRAND
Occupation SURGEON
Vote Percy and Clinton
From 1774-01-01 To 1774-12-31

St Clement Danes Parish:
Minutes of Parish Vestries
CD | MV
17th September 1767 - 18th October 1776
Currently Held: WC
LL ref: WCCDMV362030185
Image 185 of 504 1st May 1770

Dutchy Side
Mr. John Perry of the Strand Cap maker



Will of John Perry, 1791

TNA ref PROB11/1206

mentions

I give and bequeath to my Niece Mrs Elizabeth Watkins, Widow, of my late Nephew John Lake Watkins, the Silver Watch which formerly belonged to the said John Lake Watkins,
And I also give and bequeath unto her, the said Elizabeth Watkins, the Six China Plates, Punch Bowl and Mug, and the Prints or Pictures which respectively belonged to her previous to her Marriage with my said late Nephew.

Watkins is mentioned in the 1762 newspaper article

I give and bequeath unto my said Sister Elizabeth Perry my Gold Watch with the Chain and two Gold Seals, the one being my own Coat of Arms and the other the Head of Jingo Jones, and also a Gold enamelled Mourning Ring to be purchased for her by my Executors.

On this baptism we fin a signature of John Perry, William Perry being another son who has an academy in Kelso and who later went on to write Perry's dictionary 1805, he was also a surgeon in the navy.   

26/03/1774 PERRY MARY WILLIAM  PERRY/ELIZABETH F KELSO/ROXBURGH

Morning Post and Daily Advertiser (London, England), Saturday, June 25, 1791
By Messrs. HUMBLE and HENDERSON,
On the Premises, This Day, and Monday next, at
Eleven o'Clock,
All the Genuine HOUSEHOLD FURNI-
TURE, Linen, China, Books, &c. of
Mr. JOHN PERRY,
Cap and Umbrella-maker to her Majesty, deceased,
At No 88, opposite Southampton-street, Strand.

The furniture comprises Four-post and Settee Bedsteads
and Furniture, Feather Beds and Bedding, two green
mixed Damask Festoon Curtains; Chimney and Pier
Glasses; Mahogany Chests of Drawers, Chairs, Dining
 and Card tables; Bed and Table Linen; a Copper, and
Kitchen Furniture.
To be viewed the Morning of Sale, and Catalogues to
be had on the Premises, and of the Auctioneers, Corner
of Bedford-street, Strand

General Evening Post (London, England), June 11, 1791 - June 14, 1791

The Right Hon. the Earl of Harcourt, Master of the Horse to the Queen, has been pleased to appoint Mr Thomas Hawkes, of Piccadilly, Cap-Maker to her Majesty's Household, in the room of Mr John Perry, deceased.

The above two newspaper clips were posted in a London rootschat posting of mine

Name: John Perry Dates: 1776-1800 Location: London Occupation: cap maker umbrella maker clothing(m) toy making(m) Gender: Male Address:
Address(Es): 88, Strand, London
Occupation:
Occupation(s): cap maker, clothing(m)
umbrella maker, toy making(m)
Source Date: 1791 Source Info:

Ok I need to start searching more newspapers, are there any marriages for John Perry in Newmarket or surrounding areas?
 

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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 06 December 11 06:09 GMT (UK) »
This is the 1758 article spotted by bedforshire boy

The Ipswich Journal
Page 1 Article
The Ipswich Journal
Sat 18 Nov 1758
Suffolk, England
BANKRUPTS
53 Words

    “ UPTS. Thomas Perry, of the Town of Cambridge, Taylor; to farrmder on the aift and 24th Days of November inibnt, and tbe 23d of De- cember next, at Guildhall, London. George Knowles, of Oic'vih ferd, Worcefterfhire, Mahfter. Jofeph Marfli, of the City ... ?


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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 06 December 11 06:17 GMT (UK) »
This is the 1758 article spotted by bedforshire boy

Wasn't me!

Looks as though the OCR is pretty bad. I think it should probably read

Thomas Perry, of the Town of Cambridge, Taylor; to surrender on the first and 24th Days of November inst, and the 23d of December next, at Guildhall, London. George Knowles, of ???, Worcestershire, Master. Joseph Marfli, of the City ...
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 06 December 11 06:42 GMT (UK) »
my apologies, someone posted how to find that 1758 article, so thanks. Sadly apart from that and the 1762 I can't see any other articles. Has anyone got access to the Gentleman's Magazine pre 1762? to look for Perrys?

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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 06 December 11 20:47 GMT (UK) »
I can't find a suitable marriage for John Perry in Cambridgeshire, you might try Suffolk.

The bankruptcy of Thomas Perry is reported in quite a few papers, all the same content though.   The sale of John's goods is in a couple but just as you already have.
(17th-18th Century Burney Collection Newspapers from the Gale Collection).

The only bit I have seen that you haven't mentioned is the notice by his executor in The London Gazette Issue 13331 2nd August 1791 - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search.  Thomas/bankrupt in Issue 9866 and 9842.

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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 07 December 11 08:41 GMT (UK) »
The two George Perry's burials could be infant sons of any other of the Perry's in Cheveley Steeple Morden so I am not ruling out that 1670 baptism either

Quite right. But you need to check the burial entries to see what is said. The only way to resolve speculation is to check the original documents
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 07 December 11 09:24 GMT (UK) »
Yes looks like I need to get the OPR transcripts from the Society of Genealogists who have the parish records transcribed, this may take a while. But if anyone spots anything else in the meantime, please post it here. Cambridge should be proud to have jockey caps and hunting caps invented there!

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Re: Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 07 December 11 10:40 GMT (UK) »
I share David's doubts about the Steeple Morden Perrys.  I would check out some of the Suffolk parishes around Newmarket.

There are 5 George Perry references at S. Morden.

Bapts:
1638       Parents John and Constance
1671       Parents George and Mary
Marr:
1662       To Mary Saby as you already know
Bur:
1702       George sen.
1706       George
There are no further details for either of these burials.

Added - There are other mentions of the 2 Georges at the baptisms of their children, I have just given those relating directly to their own life events.

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