Perry of Cambridge 1674 & 1753

[dunvr]

Looking for a few Thomas Perry's of Cambridge around 1700. I have one born in 1674 that was supposed to have gone to Cambridge Uni. Another Thomas Perry went to Cambridge uni in 1753 age 19, his father seems to be living in Cambridge sometime in between 1674 - 1753. Interested in any info on any Perry's in Cambridge between those years. Thank you

[bedfordshire boy]

This is all a bit vague!

Can't find a few. Will one do? The 1753 university Thomas:
College:    CAIUS
Entered:    Michs. 1754
Adm. sizar (age 19) at CAIUS, July 3, 1753. S. of Thomas, tailor, of Cambridge. Born at Newmarket. Attended Bury St Edmunds School. Scholar, 1753; matric. Michs. 1754; B.A. 1757; M.A. 1760. Ord. deacon (Norwich) 1758; priest, 1759; Curate of St Margaret's, King's Lynn, 1758. Curate of Long Melford, Suffolk, 1759. ‘Chaplain at Goree in Africa, Oct. 1762, where he was killed by the explosion of a powder-magazine.’ (Bury St Edmunds Sch. Reg.; Venn, II. 69; Cambridge Chronicle, Mar. 5, 1763.) - Venn, J. A., compiler. Alumni Cantabrigienses. London, England: Cambridge University Press, 1922-1954.

There was only one other Thomas Perry at Cambridge Univ in the time frame you mention - he was admitted in 1720 as an 18 year old, and was possibly from Wolverhampton.

Where have you looked for Cambs Perrys, so we don't duplicate what you already know? There's no Thomas Perry born 1674 in Cambs on the IGI.

[dunvr]

Hi That is one of the ones I am looking for further info on. I have that entry but that is it. It says his father was a tailor in Cambs, I am looking for further info on the Tailor named Thomas Perry. If you google "Thomas Perry" 1658 Cambridge you will find an article that says he was bankrupt in 1658, he seems to have died the same year as the son, the priest, which does not make sense. The will is on line for at TNA for one of the Thomas Perrys 1762 saying he has a daughter Ann Perry. However the book Mid-Georgian London by Hugh Philips has my ancestors trading advertisement in it: John Perry, son of Thomas Perry of Cambridge, further goes onto to say John Perry invented Jockey caps and hunting caps. John Perry is my ancestor. Now he does not seem to be the son of the Thomas Perry the priest, so I think he is a son of Thomas Perry the Tailor. I found a google reference that a Thomas Perry from Gloucester went to Cambridge Uni. It says he was born 1674 and died unmarried. However I think he did marry and is the same Thomas Perry tailor in Cambridge. That is all I have. Help appreciated

[Selina]

There is a burial of a Thomas Perry, 20 June 1762, St. Michael's Church, Cambridge.  Unfortunately no other details.

30 January 1755 burial at St. Michael's, Ann wife of Thomas.

There was a baptism at Newmarket All Saints on 5 May 1727 of Ann Perry daughter of blank and Ann.  B.T. Thomas.

Also buried St. Michaels's: 11 October 1761 George Perry son of Thomas and Anne.
4 December 1774  Anne Perry

Selina

Selina

[dunvr]

Ok now this is what we have

The Thomas Perry, Priest died in South Africa 1762, do we think this is the same Thomas Perry buried at St Michael's?

Or have we this:

Thomas Perry died 1762 m Ann

Issue:

George died 1761
Thomas born abt 1734 & died in South Africa 1762
Ann listed in will alive in 1762 and single

Then perhaps

John Perry, was a brother to the Thomas Perry that married Ann or is he another son of Thomas & Ann?

This means like I thought that Thomas Perry that married Ann would be born around 1700 and I assume this is the son of another Thomas Perry, the one from Gloucestshire said to be born there and gone to Cambridge Uni abt 1692 (although he is not listed at Cambridge, one assumes the uni list not complete)

A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great ... - Google Books Result
books.google.com.au/books?id=qf4GAAAAQAAJ...John Burke - 1836 - Great Britain
The eldest son and heir (of Sir Thomas Leigh and Alice Barber), Rowland Leigh, esq. of ... and, thirdly, Joan, daughter of Thomas Perry, esq. of the city of Gloucester, and had Thomas Perry born 23rd December, 1674 of the University of Cambridge, says he died in 1688, that does not make sense as he would have to be at least 18, to have been in the Cambridge uni. I think this Thomas Perry, 1674 has a son Thomas Perry of Cambridge, who in turn has Thomas Perry that married Ann & John Perry the cap maker 1750

Theories & further info appreciated 

PS

Could this be our Thomas?

Marriage
Thomas. Perry, of Newmarket, s. M., 23 years, & Ann Reeve, of Soham, s. W., 22 years. 01 May 1724.

Puts him Born in Newmarkert Cambridge 1701, but who was his father?

The 1727 baptism of Ann fits nicely for the above couple

 

[dunvr]

also found this

See Thomas Perry, master from Newmarket Cambridge, with apprentice John Perry 1725

If the above Thomas Perry is the one that married in 1724 Ann Reeve, then John Perry must be his brother?

Or is this the father of Thomas Perry, tailor and John Perry?

Can any one check Cambridge apprentice records for further on this, and see if we can identify how many generations of Thomas Perrys we have here? And how John Perry, the Cap maker 1750 fits to which Thomas Perry?

[Selina]

I can't see the 1724 marriage of Thomas Perry and Ann Reeve in Cambridgeshire, however he would fit a Thomas Perry baptised at Cheveley (4 miles from Newmarket) in 1701, son of George.  Another son of George, a John Perry was baptised there in 1703.

Selina

[bedfordshire boy]

.....the one from Gloucestshire said to be born there and gone to Cambridge Uni abt 1692 (although he is not listed at Cambridge, one assumes the uni list not complete)

I assume Alumni Cantabrigienses is as complete as the college records allow. I don't know the criteria for inclusion in the book but if an undergraduate died before graduating would he have been included?

Looking quickly through the book there are numerous references to admissions to Cambridge at ages younger than 18 c1685. The youngest I could see was 15 but that was a 2 minute check - a more detailed check might throw up ages younger than 15.

But I think you've misread and misquoted Burkes

A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great ... - Google Books Result
books.google.com.au/books?id=qf4GAAAAQAAJ...John Burke - 1836 - Great Britain
The eldest son and heir (of Sir Thomas Leigh and Alice Barber), Rowland Leigh, esq. of ... and, thirdly, Joan, daughter of Thomas Perry, esq. of the city of Gloucester, and had Thomas Perry born 23rd December, 1674 of the University of Cambridge, says he died in 1688, that does not make sense as he would have to be at least 18, to have been in the Cambridge uni. I think this Thomas Perry, 1674 has a son Thomas Perry of Cambridge, who in turn has Thomas Perry that married Ann & John Perry the cap maker 1750

The subject of your quote was William LEIGH, who married thirdly Joan PERRY daughter of Thomas PERRY of Gloucester. Their son Thomas born 23 Dec 1684 was not Thomas Perry as you quote, but rather must have been Thomas LEIGH. Which blows up your theory in the last sentence above.

So Thomas PERRY b 1674 wasn't listed in Alumni Cantabrigienses because his name wasn't PERRY, it was LEIGH

[dunvr]

Ok that counts out that 1674 connection. But where did Thomas Perry that married 1724 come from?

And how about the Thomas Perry with an apprentice named John Perry in 1725 where did he come from? They are definately in Cambridge.

I think

Thomas Perry, master, has two sons

Thomas Perry who became a tailor that married Ann

John Perry alive 1725 who became a cap maker

I'd like to know of anyway I can trace the master Thomas Perrys family. The 1725 apprentice record is listed on ancestry.com

further help appreciated