David WALKER 1854 help please

[Rclg]

Hi
I am glad to help, I got the records from FindMyPast.  I only searched on David Walker and his approx birth +/- 5 years  into the search on their section "England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935".  Then I examined all the records that came up that either did not have a birth date or were within a few years. 
These originated with National Archives I think, as follows:
1. Reference: PCOM2: Millbank Prison, Middlesex: register of prisoners, Piece number: 32, Page number: 139.
2. HO24, Source: Home Office: Pentonville Prison Registers; Piece No. 116; page number
others: HO8, Dartmoor quarter returns, Piece numbers: 113, 114, 117, 118, 119, 120.

3. Piece 119: No 26 of Prison Book: First name(s): David, Last name: Walker, Age: 33, Birth year: 1818, Year: 1851, Date: 08 Apr 1851, Prisoner number: 1417, Court: Northallerton, Crime: Stealing a pair of trousers & a sheet & pre. con., Sentence duration: 7, Surgeon’s Report, Behaviour during the quarter, Number of Preceding Musters are all blank; Remarks: died 24th February 1854, This was the quarterly return 31st March 1854 of Dartmoor Prison.

Plus there were 2 from Ancestry, one in relation to his imprisonment in 1850 for one month for larceny, and one referring to his trial in April 1851.  I was also able to find him in the 1851 census which was taken on 30th March 1851.  His wife Isabella at this stage was in Ellingstring, and is described as an ag.lab., indeed that is what she was described as in 1841 census too when she was also in Ellingstring.

Re Mary Stott's marriage to David Walker (father of David we are discussing) - I understand they married in Masham?

I would love some further info re the Stotts.  All I know is that James Stott married Elizabeth, but not who she was or where they married.  I know they had an older son, Thomas, and younger son James, and daughter Susanna.  One of the witnesses for Mary Stott's marriage to William Vayro was Susannah Stott, presumably her sister.  I also think that James Stott was still alive in 1841, living in Masham, and described as a stonemason, aged 65.  Does that fit with your information?

I am not sure how to send/receive private messages.

[davidft]

Hi

Thank you for the message. I have sent you three personal messages and you should see a message at the top of the screen saying you have messages. If you cannot click on the MY Messages tab at the top of the screen to retrieve your message that will be because sometimes the system requires you to have sent a minimum number of messages before you can send and receive messages. If that is the case just reply to this message with any short message and it should unlock them for you.

Yes that is the 1841 census entry you have for James Stott. James dies on 9 April 1850 so misses the 1851 census and hence why i do not have a birth place for him yet.

Finally there is an error in message 3 of 3. Where I have written

Helen Fowler at Ripon Cathedral on 8 May 1755

this should read

Ellen Fowler at Ripon Cathedral on 8 May 1755 (FindMyPast records the name as Helen but the Ripon CD records the name as Ellen, twice)

Hope that works but if not just leave a message and we will see what we can do

David

[Rclg]

Hi David
Thanks, I have received all of your messages (private and otherwise) and thank you for all the information relating to Mary Stott and her ancestors, which is very helpful, and wish you luck with your future sleuthing!
Best Wishes
Liz

[matdanmum]

Hi

I have also been following this post for several years as David Walker is my Husband's 4 x great grandfather and although a sad story, I am glad that he has been "found".

If anyone would like to exchange info I would be happy to offer share the info I have, I have quite a lot on James Walker (son of David) and his wife Jane Hodgson (although I too haven't been able to find their marriage) such as death announcements from the local paper and parish register entries and on David and Isabella Caygil and their parents.

From the posts i was wondering if anyone would be willing to share details of -

The records kept at North Yorkshire Record Office on David's trial/imprisonment

Copy of James Stott's Head Stone.

Due to the posts I was also learned more information on Mary Stott (David's mother) as I didn't know she had remarried but hadn't been able to find her death so I have also "found her" and was able to get a copy of her second marriage and can now look for her burial. - so thank you.

regards Clare

[matdanmum]

Hi

Don't think I saw this in the posts but if I missed it sorry - David was buried on the 1st March 1854 at Princetown Parish, Devon.  His entry reads David Walker, Dartmoor Prison No 1417 (his prisoner number), aged 32.

regards

Clare

[davidft]

Hello Clare,

I have seen the questions you have put in the previous post. I will dig out some information and post it tomorrow or the following day.

One question I have is James Walker had a son David. Do you perhaps know what happened to him ?

David

[matdanmum]

Hi 

can I just check the David (son of James) your enquiring about was born in 1895 and possibly married Phyllis in 1937?

regards Clare

[davidft]

Hi

Yes the birth date of 1895 sounds right. The reason I asked about him is he seems to disappear of the censuses so I was curious.

I have found my notes I was looking for so I will be able to send you some information tomorrow

David