1851 Schiff family from Prussia

[JustinL]

I'm attempting to help James77 with his research of the Schiff family.

The 1841 census records Esther with daughters Emma, Betsey and Amelia.

The 1851 records Esther (called Ernestina) with Emma and Amelia and a married brother Lewis. Another brother Saling is also recorded.

Could SKS please check their reported places of birth?

Many thanks in advance.

Justin

[JenB]

Lewis Ernestina and Emma are born Prussia.
Amelia born Deptford (HO 107 / 1524 / 280 / 17)

Saling also born Prussia (HO 107 / 1546 / 106 / 14)

[JustinL]

I had expected some hint of Poland.

Can I possibly twist your arm to have a look at the 1871 entries for Saling and Lewis/Louis?

Another RCer has read 'Wolstein' as Saling's birthplace.

Justin

[JenB]

Saling is Prussia Wolstein (RG 10 / 522 / 6 / 6)

Louis/Lewis is just Prussia (RG 10 / 152 / 17 / 28)

[JenB]

I had expected some hint of Poland.

I'd always understood that Prussia included parts of what we know as Poland today.

[JustinL]

You're dead right.

I think that Wolstein (more often spellt Wollstein) was in the Prussian province of Posen, i.e. Wolsztyn near Poznan.

About half the population was Jewish in 1837/8.

Thanks for your help.

Justin

[JustinL]

Jen,

Could I please trouble you to check the family members living with Louis and Fanny in 1861?

Would you also mind checking Abram and Leopold Schiff recorded in Knaresborough, Yorkshire in 1841? An Abram and a Leopold Schiff died in East London in 1850 and '51 respectively.

Justin

[JenB]

1861 census

RG 9 / 210 / 152 / 1
74, Minories, Aldgate

Louis Schiff, head, mar, 44, Cigar manufacturer, Prussia Naturalised subject
Fanny do, wife, do, 47, do do wife, Prussia
Ernestine do, mother, widow, 67, do
Emma do, sister, un, 36, do
?Honorah Cashman, servant, un, 19, Ireland

[JenB]

1841 census

HO 107 / 1285 / Book 13 / Folio 72 / Page 22
High Street, Knaresborough

Abram Schiff, 55, Hawker, F
Leopold do, 25, do , F

Also, if its of any use

HO 107 / 727 / Book 2 / Folio 3 / Page 1
New Union Street, Cripplegate

Esther Schiff, 45
Emma Schiff, 17, F
Betsey, 10
Amelia 7