Missing marriage entries

[CarolA3]

What is baffling is that on the 1911 census it says Ellen and Paul have been married for 31 years which would mean the marriage took place in 1870!?

Didn't you mean 1880 

[polly1958]

Oh dear,of course it's 1880,thanks Carol.At least that solves one problem!I think i will contact the Catholic Churches in Hull to see if they can help with the Crottogini,(Crottigine,Grottogini) marriage,and possibly Louis Williams death too,as he is on the 1901 census but missing from the 1911 census,I looked everywhere,he wasn't in the army etc,he may have gone abroad but I had some help with tracing that and to no avail,but he certainly isn't recorded in the death index.

[MargP]

Hi Polly

I have tried every trick in the book and I can't find them, but I have found this record on the marriage index


William Boardman   Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Prescot Lancashire   
Ellen Hoggard   Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Prescot Lancashire   
Ellen Hoggarth   Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Prescot Lancashire

All of the above are transcribe with the GRO ref vol 8b page 778

But when you look at the original record, the GRO ref for Ellen Hoggard it is Southfield 9d and it looks like page 551, the other 2 people match the first GRO ref

Margp

[MargP]

Hi Polly

Do you have William Moorhouse on the 1861 census?

Margp

[polly1958]

Hi Marg,
       I did see that and tried a marriage between Ellen Boardman and William Moorhouse but couldn't find anything.I couldn't find a  a William  from Ossett in 1861,but found one living in Hull on board a vessell but he was born in Hull.
There is a George Moorhouse in the 1861 census married to Caroline Jane he,s from Ossett and a mechanic which would fit in with Williams occupation of boiler maker,and the fact that the address is Myton gate which is close to where Ellen was living in 1871.
In the 1851 census George Morhouse with wife Elizabeth but he's down as a joiner but again he's from Ossett.I,m not sure if he's one and the same person.Caroline re married in 1879 so i,m just looking to see if George had died between 1861 and 1879,to eliminate him.I did find a William in 1841 in Ossett but I think he was born 1845 he was living with his mother Alice who was unmarried.I wish I could . while I go to check but i.ll be back later.Thanks for all your help.
Polly

[Galium]

The William Boardman marriage is on familysearch - which shows the bride's name as Ellen Hoggarth.  Her father's name is Charles Jones.    .

[MargP]

Hi Polly

I would send for the marriage for Ellen Hoggard, GRO ref Southfield  vol 9d the page I thinks looks like 551, she is on her own and not cross referenced with anyone, it is the only Ellen Hoggard I could find in that area.

As for William Moorhouse I would look more closely at the one with the mother Alice as this is the name of there first child?

Do you have all the birth certificates for all there children, does his occupation change on any of them, also do have any marriage certificate for there children, what was his occupation does it say deceased on any of them.

Margp

[polly1958]

Thanks Marg,
In 1841 Alice Moorehouse had a George born 1831 ,living with a William Moorhouse (her father given his age),she's unmarried
in 1851 Alice Moorhouse with William born 1845 Alice still unmarried.George by this time would be 20,and has  left home.Not sure if any of this is relevant,but as you say the naming children after parents was common and Ellens eldest son was George too.Is George born 1831 William???Given that the only death in Hull in the years we are looking for is George William in 1875 i think it could be.
I think I will start sending for some birth certs of his children as you suggest.
 Polly

[MargP]

Hi Polly

I would not put much credence on the birth dates for the 1841 census they could be rounded up or down by 5 years and I have seen in some cases more than that.

I would also send for that marriage for Ellen Hoggard, she could have married someone else and you will have a name to go on, and if her parents are the same as your Ellen you will know if you are the right track.

Margp