Any Clues Welcomed

[maltingo]

I am about "stumped" part way through researching a SMITH family.
The lady in question is a ANNIE SMITH, born on 13th March 1890, her whereabouts are unknown.
She died in JFM 1979 at ST ALBANS, HERTS ( Napsbury Hospital ). Cremated at Golders Green Cremetorium.
Her residence was predominately in the MIDDLESEX area of London, in the HENDON area.
She married in 1920 there, on 26th October 1920 to a WILLIAM WALL, on the marriage certificate her father was down as William Smith, deceased, a jobbing gardener, I would love dearly to find her line, if anyone has any suggestion's please, they would be much appreciated.
Thanks

[Gadget]

Hi

There's this possible on the 1901

19 Egbert Place, (West) St Pancras
RG13/133/63/56
William Smith, 41, gardener (domestic), b. Slough, Bucks
Eva, 38, b. Cullumpton, Devon
Eva A, d, 14, b. London
Jessie E, 12, b. -do-
Annie, 9, b. -do-

Regents Park area - a bit closer in that Hendon but a maybe - info is a fairly close fit with what you have 

There was also a possible b. Watford but her father was Joseph Smith, publican



gnu

PS - who were the witnesses on the marriage cert and have you found any possibles for her on the 1911?

[Gadget]

Will give you what I've found on the 1901 family, in case you want to follow them up~

1891
9 Egbert Street, St Pancras
RG12/118/206/35
William Smith, 31, gardener, b. Slough
Eva, w, 28, b. Cullompton
Eva A, d, 4, b. Hampstead
Jessie E, d, 2, b. -do-

(have children's baptisms if required - lived Gospel Oak Grove and then Egbert Street )

1881
Market Garden House, Beeches Road, Farnham Royal, Eton, Bucks
RG11/1461/111/13
James Smith, 46, market gardener (N D), b. East Burnham
Emma, w, 46. b. Slough
Caroline Adams, d, m, 23, groom's wife, b. Slough
Charles Thos Adams, s in l, 24, groom (dom), b. -do-
William Smith, s, 21, labourer (gen), b. -do-
Arthur, s, 9, b. Farnham Royal
Clara, d, 7, b. -do-
Alfred, s, 1, b. -do-

1871
Green Lane, Farnham Royal
RG10/1402/88/19
James Smith, 35, market gardener, b. East Burnham
Emma, w, 34
Caroline, d, 13
William, s, 11
James, s, 10
Harry, s, 9
Lizzey, d, 6
Hannah, d, 4
Charles T, s, 2
All except James b. Slough
Also there:
Robert Wheeler, lodger, unm, 24, Carter & labourer, b. Farnham Royal
Alice Wheeler, sister (? of Robert), unm, 20, domestic servant, b. -do-

An outside possible for Eva (no marriage found so far ):

1881
Old Park Farm, Cheshunt, Herts
RG11/1398/53/4
E Ayre, wife,  30, farmer's wife, b. Devon, Templeton
Richard S. V. Ayre, s, 4, b. Devon, Witheridge
Eva M Coleman, servant,18, general servant- domestic, b. Devon, Cullompton
James Kingdom, serv,22, carter emplyed on farm, b. Devon Witheridge
Joseph Trussell, serv, 33, cowman employed on farm, b. -do-


gnu

[snowyw]

Gnu
If Annie was born in 1890, where is she in 1891?  The 1901 census could imply the one you found was born in 1892.

[dawnsh]

With a name as frequently occuring as this, I suggest you buy a copy of her death cert which should record a place of birth ( depending on how knowledgable the informant was)

Dawn

[Gadget]

Oh ye of little faith 

Gnu
If Annie was born in 1890, where is she in 1891?  The 1901 census could imply the one you found was born in 1892.

I have her born 1891-2. so she wasn't there. I don't  take all that is written as gospel on death certs (I assume that's where the birthdate was from)  - they are too often proved wrong. - the info is as good as the informant. Even more recently, my b-in-law  thought his mother was born a year later than she was, when registering her death. I was there and had her birth cert.

I'm  not saying that this is the correct one but, so far, this is the only Ann(ie) Smith b.c. 1890 with a father William who was a gardener living in the London/Middlesex North of the Thames area.


gnu

PS - that's why I asked for the witnesses on the marriage cert, in case they were relatives. I have now highlighted my query in case it gets overlooked.

[snowyw]

The reason why I questioned this is because I have barked up the wrong tree on a couple of occasions, doing masses of, what I thought was correct research, only to find the assumption I made in the first place was totally wrong. 
Maltingo has an exact birth date, not just a year of birth.  I know it may be incorrect, but until proved wrong it is all there is to go by.  Just because Annie lived in Middx, it does not mean she was born there.
(One of my ancestors lived in London all her life, but was born in Berwick on Tweed)

[Gadget]

As I said, it may not be the correct one but it's the only person that I've been able to find born circa that time with a father William who was a gardener.

If anyone can find another one, I'm only too happy to say that this is definitely not her.

I think my point about death certs is really the same as yours Snowy 



gnu

(I'm quite familiar with London residence. My sister has lived in London since the 1950s but was born in North Wales - I also lived there for 6-7 years and was born North Wales. Many on in laws' sides too- and they were Browns & Evans  )

PS - the only other one that I can see with a father William, gardener was in Aberdeen but she was b. May 1889

[maltingo]

Snowyw,
You make a good point, whilst it has been said in the family that she was around Hendon/Middx it seems always, although she moved to Childs Hill before she died, her husbands side having a father that was down as a miner hints that it wasn't around London, but more obvious mining areas up north, Wales, Devon etc that he was born, perhaps she grew up near to him and moved to the South I have no clues ?
Thank you