Hi Everyone,
It is a full house here at present, and will be so into the New Year. A young relative early this morning asked me to show her some good family history websites as her teacher was recently talking about the topic. So, of course, I have been online (as a guest) here at RChat, and shown the lass this particular thread, and also asked her to look at TROVE. We all thought she would be occupied for a short time only. No, she has been at it for hours. She has gone through it, read it several times, used my pen and paper even, and is so very excited for she has noticed two things. I think the significant one regards Bertha’s NZ born lad, Thomas George TANDY. I have typed up her “fresh eyes” approach in a fairly conventional but formal way. I think my excited lass is about to develop FH as a grand hobby, for it is an astute observation.
JM’s rellie says
“Thomas George Tandy did not live with Stephen and Bertha King”. Here is my formal explanation for that observation:
Re Thomas George TANDY, the elusive first child for Bertha GORHAM.
From the OP we know that Bertha’s second husband was Stephen KING, and they married in 1853. At
#5 (oops) #11 we learn that the marriage ceremony was conducted by Rev George Vidal. (Edited to correct JMs typo)
From TROVE “
Collected on the Parsonage Glebe, Mulgoa, Rev. George Vidal ....... Stephen King .... Bertha King .... Alfred Stephen King ....on the Estate of Fairlight, the property of G. Rattray, Esq. George Glover ..... Mrs Glover .....” http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/64978302 Empire 18 October 1856.
NOTE NO mention of Thomas George TANDY, suggesting that he was not with the KING family at Mulgoa. He would have been around 6 years old at that time,
BUT there is mention of Alfred Stephen King who would have been around two years old. This seems to be a likely reason for Alfred not knowing about his older half-brother when providing information for his own mother’s 1913 death registration.
NOTE that it is likely that the 1856 mention of George Glover and Mrs Glover at Fairlight (presuming this to be Fairlight, Mulgoa) would likely be Bertha’s step parents. George Gorham’s marriage (as George Glover) to Isabella Knott was registered in 1859, in the Penrith District, so the Mrs Glover could well be Harriet Grace Champion.. Perhaps her husband may have been absent, but if so, it would be likely that the list would read Mrs Glover with 'George Glover' listed underneath ....
As Trove was somewhat slow earlier today, the lass also thought about the 1869 d.c. for George Glover. She thinks:
JMs rellie says
“Ambrose was the eldest son so he gave the info” Here is my formal explanation for that observation.
Re Ambrose Glover, informant on George Glover’s 1869 d.c. He was likely the eldest surviving son of Harriet Grace Champion, and George Glover. He may well have been the eldest surviving son of George Glover and perhaps that is why he was the one to provide the information about his father. Or perhaps George Gorham (Glover) was the one contacting the various family members while Ambrose was the one organising the practical aspects for the funeral.
I posed the question :
‘So where was Thomas George TANDY’ ....
“he got left behind in NZ”I have explained to our young visitor the pitfalls about speculations, and the need to try to obtain Primary Records to confirm/eliminate/keep options open etc. I am very pleased to report that her school teacher has addressed that too, and had also explained about plagiarisms and about acknowledging sources. I think I may need to change my Santa Wish List and get some more chairs together and a bigger screen as there seems to be a growing crowd of the younger set gathering behind me...
As an aside, this young rellie of mine, we share a forebear whose occupation was recorded in NSW 19th records as “Pedigree Keeper”.
Cheers, JM.
(I am absolutely gobbsmacked, OH has now found us a white board, markers etc ... what have I started
)
PS,
and now she notices that the Ambrose Glover mentioned in the newspaper cuttings posted by Muss and by Merlin was not recorded as a resident of NZ. I will post this and spend some time explaining that native of NZ would simply mean that was where Ambrose was born.
The NSW BDM has that death recorded as being registered at Hay, NSW with the age recorded as 30 years old. Entirely possible - the age is only 2 years out from what is recorded on George's death certificate (and given that article specifically states he was a resident of NZ).
