**COMPLETED** Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837

[majm]

That's the dilemma ... Infant and pre civil registration  ie a burial and not a dc ... even though it is 1862 and civil registrations commence 1856 for NSW ...  so Caryn would need to contact the current holders of that particular set of PRs to see if there are further details or try to find MI at the cemetery  ...  Hence my headache

Cheers JM

[Neil Todd]

I was under the possible idea that The Tandy children were adopted by King.

Ergh....another possibility, but should be researched further.

5197/1894  KING  THOMAS  UNKNOWN  UNKNOWN  GLEBE 

Neil

[majm]

I think that the dc for Bertha needs to arrive soon  ...  But Yes if Bertha brought young Master TANDY to NSW then his surname could easily become KING ... perhaps as mentioned earlier he could be named on Stephen KING's childrens NSW bcs   

Caryn must be busy with her grinestones.

Cheers JM

[~MERLIN~]

That's the dilemma ... Infant and pre civil registration  ie a burial and not a dc ... even though it is 1862 and civil registrations commence 1856 for NSW ...  so Caryn would need to contact the current holders of that particular set of PRs to see if there are further details or try to find MI at the cemetery  ...  Hence my headache

Possibly St Stephens Church & Cemetery, Newtown.
Can't see a birth for this child... also the death states 'infant' which is generally under a year old 

[majm]

Right,  basically to help my grey cells, I have made a quick summary in the form of a timeline for Bertha upto her marriage to Stephen King.  I share in case I have overlooked any events and also to possibly help the other RChatters.  Please let me know of any errors and/or omissions, so I can then edit this post.

1833 Bertha baptised as GORHAM in the UK
1836 Bertha’s mum, Amelia marries George GLOVER in the UK
1836 Bertha’s bro, George born in the UK
1837 The GLOVER family migrates to Sydney NSW
1838 Dec 3, Bertha’s bro Henry is born in Sydney, and baptised 27 Jan 1839 in Sydney NSW
1839 Bertha’s mum dies in Sydney NSW
1839 Bertha’s mum’s husband, George Glover, next marries Harriet Grace CHAMPION in NSW
1839 Bertha's bro Theodore is born in NSW (Edit   I have added this line,  sorry for not including it)
1840 The Glover family migrates to NZ
1850 Bertha, as GORHAM marries Thomas TANDY in NZ, this may be his second marriage.
1850 Bertha’s son born, Thomas George TANDY, in NZ
1852 June, Thomas Tandy (a carpenter) is lost on the mountains between Dunedin and Waitouaiti. NZ
1852 Aug, Mr and Mrs Glover and 4 sons, 5 daughters arrive from NZ into Sydney NSW
1853 May, Bertha Tandy, widow marries Stephen King, widowed in NSW.

Along the way we learned that George and Harriet had 6 living children by 1855, but in 1853 they buried an NZ born son in the same district as Bertha married Stephen KING.  So, perhaps that accounts for 7 of the 9 who were on the Aug 1852 voyage from NZ.   Is it possible that the other 2, were in fact Bertha TANDY and Master Thomas George Tandy?  I would have expected them to travel as Mrs Tandy and child.  Edit  to add this 1 sentence:  And the other 2 to be the some of sons of George and Amelia, although they also would be most likely counted as single men, for the purposes of fares etc on that return voyage to NSW.

But while we have found how Bertha became Mrs Tandy, and then was widowed, we are yet to find any further mention of Thomas George TANDY, born 1850.  We have lots of suggestions, but nothing yet to offer Caryn.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,  JM 

Including the OP to help clear my thoughts.

Am looking for information on the first marriage of my 3xgreat grandmother Bertha Glover. She married for the first time somewhere around 1850-1852 to a Mr Tandy - most likely I think in the Denham Court area of Sydney.

When Bertha re-married in 1853 to Stephen King, she was listed on that marriage certificate as being a widow.

I have been so far unable to find any records or information relating to her first marriage and would like to be able to identify her first husband and trace any descendants.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

[Neil Todd]

Hi for Caryn-1 benefit and any of us on this side of the Ditch. I asked about the records from NZ see post under.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=570369.new
As far as I can see also there are no further records in NZ of Thomas George Tandy after his birth.

Neil.

[Neil Todd]

From NZ via a Kind Rootschatter " Fresh Fields"


Hello again. just a quick skim found these hits for TANDY in papers on line and govt records.

Thomas TANDY – lost one month in bush.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZSCSG18520626.2.4&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2thomas+tandy--

Thomas TANDY - Letters returned & awaiting claiming

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=DSC18620702.2.20&srpos=4&e=-------10--1----2thomas+tandy--

Daughter of one Thomas TANDY.Highly interesting
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=OW19090324.2.51&srpos=6&e=-------10--1----2thomas+tandy--

Parnell – Auckland, property of Thomas TANDY sold.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=DSC18620920.2.9&srpos=12&e=-------10--11----2thomas+tandy--

TANDY simple search on ARCHWAY the NZ Archives search index.

http://archway.archives.govt.nz/SimpleSearch.do?keyword=%20tandy

Either of these sites may hold more results if you have a play with the search options.

There is one amongst them of a T Tandy boarding a ship from Auckland bound for Sydney in August 17th 1860. I think we need to establish if possible who this T Tandy is.

Neil

[muss]

Hi

Mary Ann Tandy married Andrew Thompson 1859 NZ no 1464


Muss

[majm]

Re the T Tandy into Sydney in Aug 1860   that could be the publican at Glebe...  But as for Master Tandy ....   he is elusive ...  Caryn will need plenty of pennies for the NZ printouts and the NSW transcripts for this mystery ...   And the NZ daughter  ... very interesting indeed... 

Cheers JM