**COMPLETED** Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837

[majm]

Confirming departure from Sydney of the Magnet with the GLOVER family

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/31724711 The Colonist 14 March, 1840

Now to find Mrs T Tandy and infant into Sydney  in the likely era of goldrushes and overcrowded ships crossing the ditch...

Cheers,  JM

[muss]

Hi

This maybe a long shot, but

THEOPHILUS GLOVER born 1851 NZ no 340

Muss

[Neil Todd]

Hmmm, A possible earlier marriage?? Across the ditch. Modified
Gees missed a whole line. with thanks to the Genealogy Club of Waikouaiti
Waikouaiti Weddings Register 1841 - 1844

8. 30th Aug 1843 Thomas Tandy to Maria Manaha
Waikouaiti
Witnesses Hannah Watkins
Joseph Crocome

Possible watcharekinehh??

Neil

[majm]

Hi

This Thomas Tandy had  the Kentish Hotel Glebe   did he have a son or brother ?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13025257?searchTerm= tandy brisbane&searchLimits=l-decade=185

Hope you don't mind Muss, but can I add to your question " or grandson, nephew , cousin ! "

Cheers  JM

[muss]

Hi

No I do not mind , anything that  will help obtain the answers is fine.


Muss

[majm]

And now I am wondering about Theo Glover born 1839 Sydney particularly as it seems there is Theo Glover born in NZ ... and there was Bertha married as Gorham ...  was there No Theo born 1839 ... was the one born in NZ to George and Harriet or another couple and was Theo Bertha's brother or half brother or step brother or not related at all to Bertha ... I think Caryn will need to spend some pennies on some certificates/transcripts/printouts... 

However its one of the grand things about RChat that collectively many eyes can usually advance the searchings for fellow RChatters...

Hope Caryn will be back online shortly

Cheers JM

[Neil Todd]

Might be getting a bit sidetracked;.... but are we not searching for a Bertha Glover born 1833.  Now we have her marrying under her mothers name Gorham. Even thats a bit unusual she may possibly only be a Glover in name only?
The marriage cert from NZ has to have some relevant information and it should be a priority. One thing, I haven't a clue how to get one though. Wonder if they have the same transcription agents?
Wonder also if they have ages on them or Just full age??
Neil

[muss]

Hi

She was bap Bertha Gorham 1833 mother Amelia father unknown


Muss

[majm]

And I can't find her first arrival to NSW under either Glover or Gorham nor her return under Tandy either with an infant nor not.  Perhaps Thomas George stayed in NZ ...  PS  I have scant NZ knowledge but I think their early BDMs are not as detailed as they may also be pre civil registrations BUT printouts usually have better info over the real deal certificates...  Not sure if  there were ITMs available for those early marriages but ITMs give further info as they are a bit like banns announcements.   I have concerns about the gap between He/arriot Champion marrying in Sydney in 1839 and Theo born in NZ 10 + years later .. any inbetween? Oh  and Caryn noting Theo as born 1839 as Bertha's bro.  I wonder where that info came from ..

RChatters on NZ board are always very helpful when I have posted there.    Cheers Clunky JM