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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #54 on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi, NSW BDM.
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14525/1898  TANDY  WILLIAM  Father  JAMES  Mother ANN  EAST MAITLAND

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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #55 on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:24 GMT (UK) »
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 Henry William Tandy born 1857 Bristol England  died 1898 Bolwarra


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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #56 on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:34 GMT (UK) »
East Maitland general cemetery
Tandy family
Tandy   Edith Mary      6 May?1888   3y5m   dau/Henry William & Eliza Ann   Mth   C   
Tandy   Elsie Marion      1 Apr 1896   7days   dau/Henry William & Eliza Ann   Mth   C   
Tandy   Harry Ernest      29 May 1888   7y   son/Henry William & Eliza Ann   Mth   C   
Tandy   Henry William      26 Oct 1898   41y   h/Eliza Ann; father; fallen, broken   Mth   C   
Tandy   Mary      ??      prob. w/William; broken   Mth   C   
Tandy   Mary Ethel   1892   7 Dec 1892   Inf   dau/Henry William & Eliza Ann   Mth   C   
Tandy   William      1898   85y   son/James & Ann; h/Mary; father; fallen, broken   Mth   C
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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #57 on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:48 GMT (UK) »
It appears that these Tandy people are not directly related to Bertha. UNFORTUNATLEY....... >:(  Because.

WILLIAM TANDY. Born in 1810 in Bitton, Gloucestershire, England, died in Maitland, N.S.W. Australia on 24 Sep 1898; he was 88. On 3 Apr 1836 when WILLIAM was 26, he married in Bristol, Gloucestershire ELIZA MARY DAVIS, born in 1815 in Bitton, died in Maitland on 29 Jan 1888, daughter of ISAAC DAVIS and ELIZABETH COVENTARY,. William and Mary Tandy came to Australia on the ship "Sandringham", arriving in Sydney on June 26, 1864. William was 54, and Mary was 49. Their son William, who was 6 years old, was with them. William Senior is listed as a Farm Labourer. Both their parents were dead and their religion was C.E. Neither one could read or write. Their daughter, Elizabeth Bennett, lived within 50 miles of Sydney.

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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #58 on: Sunday 04 December 11 07:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to you all for trying... :)

One likely candidate might be a convict John Tandy, who arrived on the David Malcolm on 13 May 1845, but I need to track where he went after he arrived in Australia.

Not knowing how old the elusive 'Mr Tandy' was when he and Bertha married, of course, or even if he was already in Australia at the time, I'm looking at a few convict arrivals.

If John Tandy was in the Denham Court area at the same time as Bertha in the early 1850's, might nearly have a winner.....or not.... :(

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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #59 on: Sunday 04 December 11 08:02 GMT (UK) »
Where in Australia did he arrive Caryn? The David Malcolm may have brought in the last of the convicts. I could stand corrected on that though. There are many others more knowlegeable than I on convict transports.

If we can track this Tandy via his records it will ensure a tighter match.

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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #60 on: Sunday 04 December 11 08:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

Two posts in the one  :D


May I ask about the modification you made to your OP .... what changes did you make ....  I recall reading “Cabramatta”, but it is not there now.   The entry at the Historic Records section of the familysearch website clearly shows that the marriage of 30 May 1853 between Stephen King and Bertha Tandy was at Ingleburn, Cabramatta, while the entry for Denham Court has the date as 13 May 1845 ooops 1853*.    I recall the various posts about Cabramatta and the County of Cumberland and Denham Court not being in the Penrith area.    I find your changed OP to be somewhat confusing rather than clearer, particularly when reading the posts that follow it, up to and including #45.  Be that as it may, I will continue to try to help. 


Thanks to you all for trying... :)

One likely candidate might be a convict John Tandy, who arrived on the David Malcolm on 13 May 1845, but I need to track where he went after he arrived in Australia.

Not knowing how old the elusive 'Mr Tandy' was when he and Bertha married, of course, or even if he was already in Australia at the time, I'm looking at a few convict arrivals.

If John Tandy was in the Denham Court area at the same time as Bertha in the early 1850's, might nearly have a winner.....or not.... :(

Cheers
Caryn



The ship David Malcolm with the date 13 May 1845 were not destined to land any convicts at any port in NSW.   I think you will find its twin destinations were Van Diemen’s Land and Norfolk Island and that the date of 13 May 1845 was the date that ship departed England, not the date of arrival in Australia....The arrival is noted in the SMH 22 Sept 1845, it had left Norfolk Island on 10th Sept 1845, and there is no mention in that cutting of the convicts being still onboard when it arrived at Sydney.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36701505
HOWEVER, there were obviously convicts onboard,  when it was at Port Jackson , as this cutting shows
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2947265  4 Oct 1845 The Courier

http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/ship-name/david-malcolm 

One of the convicts on that voyage was a Joseph TANDY, under a Life sentence from the Worcester Assizes.   I have not noticed any alias for that chap.  However, I am not familiar with searching for convicts transported in that era; convict transportation having ceased to NSW before then. 
Have you checked the fantastic records of the Archives Office of Tasmania.   I can see that Joseph Tandy arrived 25 Aug 1845 ex the David Malcolm, his Conduct Record, and his Conduct Indent.   There’s also remarks “Off Norfolk Island per Pestongee Bomangee May 1847”.

Perhaps the Joseph Tandy in this cutting from the 26 Dec 1868 Launceston Examiner may be connected to the chap  ex the  David Malcolm.  .
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36701505
*Mod to correct typo
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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #61 on: Monday 05 December 11 04:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi

The only changes made to the original post were changing the wording 'someone named Tandy' to 'a Mr Tandy' and changing 'Cabramatta' to 'Denham Court'.

It was my mistaken belief that I was looking in the Penrith area. I believe that has been dispelled subsequently since many times. It is quite correct that the David Malcolm did not land in NSW. Whilst I am not specifically looking for convicts who landed in NSW, tracking where they went after they landed in Australia anywhere between 1845 to 1852, and not specifically NSW, just might pick up a few options.

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Re: Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837
« Reply #62 on: Monday 05 December 11 04:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Neil

According to records for the David Malcolm it was headed for 'Van Diemen's land and Norfolk Island'. But who knows where the convicts on board ended up afterwards once they received full pardons.

And as usual, in a rush typing, and as majm has pointed out, his name is actual Joseph Tandy (not John - thank you majm). John Tandy arrived into NSW a few years earlier and could probably be discounted as he might be quite a few years older.

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Klein, Deppe, Luth, Emmerich, Studt (Germany & AUS)