**COMPLETED** Bertha GLOVER born 1833 Wittersham, Kent arrived Sydney 1837

[majm]

Hi

Just quickly - I can address a couple issues - if I have mistakenly typed Bertha's birthdate as 1883 instead 1833, that is clearly an error. She was born 1833.

I think it is my TYPO,  I will edit that part of that particular post.

Cheers,  JM

[Caryn_1]

Wow, seems I have quite a bit of follow up to do over the weekend 

A little about Isaac Dawson - one of the witnesses to Bertha and Stephen's marriage - in the SMH of 29 August 1860 he posted an advert. Seems he lost a red cow. He posted a one pound reward for its return. He stated in the ad that the cow had the IW on the rump and EF on the ribs. Not sure if I take from this that Mr Dawson himself was a property owner or manager. Need to work that one out I guess.

Cheers
Caryn

[majm]

Hi there,

Perhaps before you get too involved in that following up you could check your existing research records and confirm the date and place for Bertha Tandy’s marriage to Stephen King, .... I am asking about other records, to help you validate what is on the NSW BDM certificate for their 1853 ECR (Vol 39C, line 153) .

Simply put, I can see two possibles..

Stephen KING, widowed, marriage place of Ingleburn, on 30 May 1853 to Bertha Tandy, widowed.

AND

Stephen KING, widowed, marriage place of St Mary, Denham Court on 13 May 1853, to Bertha TANDY, widowed

While I well understand the how/why there would be two different parish records for the likely ONE event,  and that the NSW BDM online index seemingly gives only the MH (C of E, Denham Court) register entry, I wonder if the Ingleburn register will have further information about Bertha’s Mr Tandy, or for that matter that the Denham Court register has further info about that Mr Tandy. 

I think it would be unusual for there to be two couples, both widowed, both marrying in the County of Cumberland, both seemingly C of E ceremonies, with both celebrated in May 1853 (but Denham Court 13th, and Ingleburn 30th) and  with both parties being named as a  Stephen King and a Bertha Tandy.

Source :  Historical Records, M00381-9 and M31026-3 at this link : https://familysearch.org/

Cheers,  JM

[Neil Todd]

Hi Caryn_1, Lots of questions, lots of answers, but your Bertha is a hard woman to find.

I have been following this thread and my head is spinning  but I think you might be getting near the history.

Have a look at this link and let me know what you think.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12891074

Cheers Neil

[muss]

hi

This Thomas Tandy had  the Kentish Hotel Glebe   did he have a son or brother ?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13025257?searchTerm= tandy brisbane&searchLimits=l-decade=185

[Caryn_1]

Hi

As far as I am aware Bertha was never in Glebe in 1863. There was a child named Madeline King born to parents Stephen and Bertha King in 1863 (3 years after Stephen died). Madeline died when she was 7 months old from natural causes according to the coroners report and is buried in Grafton. Bertha was never in Grafton and it makes no sense that she would have buried a child in Grafton. It is know that there was at least one other Stephen and Bertha King in the Morpeth area and another Bertha King who married a fellow named Blundell on 2 December 1868 (marriage registered in 1869 (I suspect this is the Bertha who might be the mother of Sarah Bertha King with the birth registered in 1869, however, I believe she was born before her parents were married. Sarah died 12 January 1959 in Carlton, NSW). She assumed the Blundell name herself and later had a daughter Clarice Lenorah Blundell.

I suspect a very similar story applies to Madeline, I just haven't worked out exactly which Stephen and Bertha King she belongs to, however, I don't believe she belongs to my family.

The George Glover who married Isabella Knott and who was living in Glebe in 1867, is Bertha's brother. Hence the attraction to Glebe later on in her life.

  Why was Bertha at Glebe in 1863, I thought you mentioned they went from Mulgoa to Morpeth, I didn’t realise they went to Glebe after Mulgoa and before Morpeth .... 
  The Sands Directory for 1867 does have a  George GLOVER in Glebe St, Glebe,  so  is there any connection with that place and Bertha's  death some 50 years later, also at Glebe?   

Cheers
Caryn

[Caryn_1]

I have been following this thread and my head is spinning  but I think you might be getting near the history.

Have a look at this link and let me know what you think.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12891074

Great, thanks Neil! Just need a first name and we can track this elusive Mr Tandy down too     
Cheers
Caryn

[Caryn_1]

Stephen KING, widowed, marriage place of Ingleburn, on 30 May 1853 to Bertha Tandy, widowed.

AND

Stephen KING, widowed, marriage place of St Mary, Denham Court on 13 May 1853, to Bertha TANDY, widowed

Source :  Historical Records, M00381-9 and M31026-3 at this link : https://familysearch.org/

Hi

I tend to take some of what I find on familysearch with a grain of salt sometimes as a lot of the records have been submitted by people who have uploaded/submitted their family trees to the LDS. Quite of lot of which have unsubstantiated records. That's not to say there are not two parish records for Stephen and Bertha's marriage of course. That is, of course, another avenue to investigate i.e. the parish records to see what is recorded there.

Cheers
Caryn

[Caryn_1]

hi

This Thomas Tandy had  the Kentish Hotel Glebe   did he have a son or brother ?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13025257?searchTerm= tandy brisbane&searchLimits=l-decade=185

Hi

The only Thomas Tandy's I can find all seem to have had daughter's I'm afraid. At least the one's I can find so far.

Cheers
Caryn