James Grant and lillias Stuart

[fraser1]

Hi

Thank you very much for all your research.  As I thought, dates do not tie up but it looks as though it is back to the drawing board to check forward and make sure that I have been following the right trail.  Time permitting I will do tonight.

Regards

Sandra

[Gadget]

Hi Again

It's a bit of a puzzle with so many Grants - a bit like Jones in Wales in that area 

It looks as if Lilias Stuart was born 1777-1780 from info on the censuses.

Just to give a little more information re locations.

The Rynrick, I think is located CLICK HERE FOR MAP as Rynerrick, not far at all from Tulloch, where Lilias Stuart was living on the censuses and where she died.

If you use the zoom control on the right of the map, you'll see Tulloch just to the North West of the Rynerricks

It might be worth asking for an MI look up for your family. That might clarify things.


gnu

[fraser1]

Me again

As you will have gathered I am not very good at this so I do appreciate all your help.  What is an MI?

My mind is going round in circles and I don't know where I am going wrong.  I have checked back my findings and can't get the names and dates to tie up.

I think maybe I will take a break and come back with a fresh eye.

What I am sure is correct is that my great grandfather Alexander Grant Born 5/6/1840, married Annabella Donald 12/12/1879, died 7/7/1926. 

From there I traced on his mc his parents Alexander Grant and Barbara Smith. 

From Alexander's dc 17/2/1894 his parents James Grant and Lily Stuart both deceased.  I have  a bc 13/2/1800 with parents James and Lillias.

[Gadget]

Hi

MI is Monumental Inscription.

All I can tell you is that the James Grant,  father of your Alexander and married at some date to Lilias Stuart,  was not the son of Malcolm Grant and Janet McPherson in 1775.

Unfortunately, he died before the 1841 census so we have no guidance as to his age and no death records. This was why I suggested looking for an MI.

Also note these bapisms (from SP) that I gave earlier:

Children baptised in Abernethy to James Grant and Lilias Stuart/Stewart:

12 April 1794 Margaret
16 Sept 1795 May
21 July 1797 Mary
5 June 1799 John
22 Mar 1800 Alexander
24 Aug 1803 Alexander
17 July 1801 Jean
13 May 1807 James
22 June 1808 Mary

The censuses all suggest Alexander's birth was 1800 so it's  puzzling!



gnu

[ElizaGrant]

Hello,

I think I can help...
I discovered James and Lillias Grant whilst researching my 2x Great Grandfather, John Grant (1818-1886).  John's birth record says he was born at Mid Drum, Abernethy, the son of James and Lillias Grant.  His death record shows his father as James Grant and his mother as Lillias Grant, maiden surname Grant (not Stuart).

On her 1868 death record, Lillias Grant is recorded as the widow of James Grant, farmer at Mid Drum and her parents are given as John Grant and Catherine Grant (Catherine's maiden name was also Grant).

James Grant was born on November 3, 1775 in Clachaig, Abernethy, Scotland.  He died at Mid Drum, Abernethy on March 18 1863.  On his death record his parents are named as Malcolm Grant and Janet MacPherson.

Great, Great Grandfather, John Grant was, I believe the eldest of six children so I am guessing James and Lillias married sometime around 1816/1817 although, that would put James in his 40's and Lillias in her 30's so I could be mistaken.  John's siblings are Malcolm, Alexander, Lewis, James and Jannet.

'hope that helps separate the two families.

[Gadget]

Hi Eliza

Welcome to Rootschat 

Thank you for your information which supports what I found. It took me quite a while to work out this puzzle and I had to trace the two James Grant/Lilias families.

Sandra (fraser1) maintains that her ancestor, James Grant was married to Lilias Stuart and not Lilias Grant

From Alexander's dc 17/2/1894 his parents James Grant and Lily Stuart both deceased

and thus this James  was not the son of Malcom and Janet.I looked at the 1863 death cert to check and found that James married to the wrong Lilias!  I also checked the censuses and found that Lilias Stuart's husband had died before the 1841 census

Also

These are the deaths:

9 March 1868, Abernethy and Kincardine
Lilias Grant, widow of James Grant, farmer of Mid Drum. Died Upper Plotts,  Aged 82.
parents- John Grant, farmer and Catherine m.s. Grant.  Both deceased

Alexander Grant, son, was the informant
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
4th March 1868, Abernethy and Kincardine
Lilias Grant, widow of James Grant, farmer of Auch Tulloch, Aged 88
Parents - Peter Stuart, farmer and Janet m.s. Robertson. Both deceased.

John Grant, son, was the informant.

gnu

Sadly, neither of us has access to the MIs to trace the ancestors of James Grant of Auch Tulloch - who was the husband of Lilias Stuart.


Regards


gnu

[fraser1]

Sorry I have not been on sooner but sometimes other work must be done!

Thanks for all your info.  On looking back through all my sources I seem to have both sets of James/Lilias but had plumped for the wrong pair and when it became obvious that the dates just did not add up I had to seek help and I'm glad I did.

I will have to check the rest because of the wrong thread but that will need to wait until the holidays.

Sandra

[fraser1]

Shouldn't be doing this but it has niggled all night.  Can I check that what you are saying is that the dc for Alexander Grant has the wrong mother and what if anything should be done about it?  Should SP be notified?

Thanks again.

Sandra

[Gadget]

Hi Sandra

I don't think that Alexander Grant's dc had the wrong mother - all I've said is that there weere two families and your Alexander appears from the evidence to be the son of James Grant and Lilias Stuart and not the other couple - check my early replies re the two families.

I do maintain that you have selected the wrong parents for James. The one (James Grant of Auch Tulloch) who was married to Lilias Stuart was dead before 1841. The other James (parents Malcolm Grant and  Janet McPherson) died 1863 and was married to Lilias Grant and was of Mid Drum.


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