James Grant and lillias Stuart

[fraser1]

Help please as I am tying myself in knots.

James Grant born 3/11/1775 - father Malcolm Grant mother Janet Mcpherson

Married Lillias Stuart/Stewart 12/4/1793

Is this the right one as there is another record for a James Grant marrying a Lillias Grant but I don't think the dates match up.

I cannot find a birth certificate for Lillias but have two dcs both1868 .

Which Lillias was it?

Regards

Sandra

[Gadget]

Hi Sandra

I've found the marriage but not really much to go on - Abernethy and Kincardine on the date you state.

Are the 1868 documents death certs? If so what information do they give on her husband?

Do you have them on the 1841-1861 censuses?


gnu

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Is this them on the 1851:

Mid Drum, Abernethy and Kincardine
90a 6 8

James Grant, 76, farmer of 8 acres, employing 1 labourer,  b. Abernethy
Lillie, 65, b. Abernethy

So birth circa 1786

gnu

Added - 1861 suggests the same D of B. A son, Alexander, aged 35, is with them.

[Gadget]

These are the deaths:

9 March 1868, Abernethy and Kincardine
Lilias Grant, widow of James Grant, farmer of Mid Drum. Died Upper Plotts,  Aged 82.
parents- John Grant, farmer and Catherine m.s. Grant.  Both deceased

Alexander Grant, son, was the informant
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4th March 1868, Abernethy and Kincardine
Lilias Grant, widow of James Grant, farmer of Auch Tulloch, Aged 88
Parents - Peter Stuart, farmer and Janet m.s. Robertson. Both deceased.

John Grant, son, was the informant.

Do you have any information on their children which would distinguish the two couples.


gnu

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For comparison, this is the Lillias Stuart on the 1861:

Upper Plotts, Abernethy
124 5 7

John Grant, 55, Farmer of 4 1/2 acres arable  and 13 1/2 pasture
Lillie, mother, 82
Simon Smith, nephew, 26, lotter
Elspet Grant, 18, servant

All b. Abernethy

Added -

and in 1851

Plotts, Abernethy
90a 5 6

John Grant, 45, farmer of 4 1/2 acres with 10 acres pasturage
Lilias Stewart, mother 74
Simon Smith, servant, 17, farm servant
Jannet Gordon, servant, 14, farm servant

All b. Abernethy




gnu

[Gadget]

Could this be the marriage of Lillias Grant -

Abernethy and Kincardine
18 May 1793 Gregor Grant of Rothiemurchus  and Lilias Grant of Backhorn (?)

This entry immediately below the Lilias Stuart and James Grant one.

I wonder whether Gregor's other name was James or clerk/minister got confused as there is a James Grant  to a Jannet Grant as the next entry as well.


gnu

[Gadget]

From James's death cert of 1863, aged 87,  his wife was the Lilias Grant not Lilias Stewart/Stuart. Lilias Grant would have only been 7 in 1793!

gnu

[Gadget]

Looking at your other thread re Alexander ~

Your Alexander was the son of James and Lilias Stuart. This James died before 1841 so he cannot be the James,  son of Malcolm Grant and Janet McPherson as this one died 1863 and married Lilias Grant, as previous post.


gnu

[Gadget]

Children baptised in Abernethy to James Grant and Lilias Stuart/Stewart:

12 April 1794 Margaret
16 Sept 1795 May
21 July 1797 Mary
5 June 1799 John
22 Mar 1800 Alexander
24 Aug 1803 Alexander
17 July 1801 Jean
13 May 1807 James
22 June 1808 Mary


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